[nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Michael Fincham
Hi all, So my domestic tables now have some 76,000 prefixes in them, as of ~ 6:30 last night. I guess hello HE and welcome to AKL-IX? Domestic table for NZ was more like ~ 10,000 prefixes not that long ago! -- Michael ___ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG@li

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Liam Farr
They moved into 220q a few weeks back, routes went live on Megaport Auckland yesterday. They’re also selling transit now in Auckland, (great to see more options arriving locally). It does however seem that Auckland is just an extension of their Sydney POP with traffic going AKL>SYD>USA. On Wed,

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Michael Fincham
On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 10:41:45 +1200 Michael Fincham wrote: > I guess hello HE and welcome to AKL-IX? Sorry, Megaport. -- Michael ___ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG@list.waikato.ac.nz https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Liam Farr
One would assume however that being based at 220q they will also pickup AKL-IX in due course as the other main Auckland IX. On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 at 10:47 AM, Michael Fincham wrote: > On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 10:41:45 +1200 > Michael Fincham wrote: > > > I guess hello HE and welcome to AKL-IX? > > Sor

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Joe Wooller
In progress So please adjust your filters accordingly in preparation! :) We will send out an email to AKL-IX participants shortly. Thanks Joe > On 19 Sep 2018, at 6:56 am, Liam Farr wrote: > > One would assume however that being based at 220q they will also pickup > AKL-IX in due course as t

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Gavin Tweedie
HE peers everywhere they can, so yes I assume you'll see them on AKL-IX too... APE might depend if they see value, last I checked between MegaIX and AKL-IX you collected most of the routes on APE direct or indirect. To be honest none of the IX's in AKL have been truely domestic for a long time, th

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Mike Taylor
Eek, I wonder if this is why my NZ domestic table size had a blow out at around 0100 this morning and tipped one of my (smaller) boxes over the edge... I've spent all morning trying to triage the damn thing, knowing that the BGP table had blown out and taken all of the TCAM memory... We're still

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Cameron Bradley
Yes, This is exactly why this happened. Vocus made a change around 0050 this morning. We dropped some peerings when the prefix limits breached. If your box isn't coping you could consider rejecting routes received from Megaport with HE in the path. Cam -Original Message- From: nznog-b

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Mike Taylor
Thanks Cam, good idea Turns out that the node in question only has one exit point to the internet anyway (now), so it only really needs a default route for IPv4 and the same for IPv6 Problem solved! Regards, Mike Mike Taylor The Total Team XMPP: mike.totalt...@gmail.com 0800 888 326 / +64

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Michael Fincham
OK, so the routes are on AKL-IX now [cue a bunch more peoples import limits breaking again]. Did we not learn anything from the last time this broke a whole bunch of stuff? HE needs to be giving us some heads up before they turn up here and increase the size of NZ's domestic route table by an o

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Dave Mill
Megaport AKL emailed their customers multiple times about HE turning up their services. NZIX also emailed. So I assume its just 'domestic' transit providers that maybe aren't notifying us? Dave On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Michael Fincham wrote: > OK, so the routes are on AKL-IX now [cue

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Michael Fincham
On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 16:23:56 +1200 Dave Mill wrote: > Megaport AKL emailed their customers multiple times about HE turning up > their services. > > NZIX also emailed. > > So I assume its just 'domestic' transit providers that maybe aren't > notifying us? I don't think this is the right way to

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Michael Fincham
On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 16:25:35 +1200 Michael Fincham wrote: > I don't think this is the right way to look at it. Those routes are going to > end up in everyone's "domestic" feeds. HE should have been here on NZNOG > months ago making sure everyone was OK with this and ready. And to elaborate on

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Liam Farr
They did notify, "months ago" back in June... (as below) and again yesterday. --- Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 at 11:30 Subject: Re: [Megaport Auckland IX] Upcoming large increase in prefixes from MegaIX Auckland Route Servers To: Hi AKL peers, Just a reminder regarding t

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Dylan Hall
Did the AKL-IX people send an email ahead of this? I ask because we didn't see anything so I'm wondering if we just lost it in a spam folder somewhere or if others got missed also. Thanks, Dylan On 19 September 2018 at 16:23, Dave Mill wrote: > Megaport AKL emailed their customers multiple t

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Jesse Archer
We didn’t get an email from akl IX either On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 at 4:27 PM, Dylan Hall wrote: > Did the AKL-IX people send an email ahead of this? > > I ask because we didn't see anything so I'm wondering if we just lost it > in a spam folder somewhere or if others got missed also. > > Thanks, > >

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Michael Fincham
On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 16:27:16 +1200 Liam Farr wrote: > They did notify, "months ago" back in June... (as below) and again > yesterday. Yes, but how is this meant to filter out to all the other operators not on that exchange exactly, who have spent much of the day fixing things and helping other

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Liam Farr
If your not on the exchange directly, you only buy (domestic) transit from an upstream, and your upstream didn't notify you... perhaps its time to find a new upstream or have a long hard chat with your account manager / their ops team? On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 at 16:29, Michael Fincham wrote: > On We

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Nathan Ward
> On 19/09/2018, at 4:28 PM, Michael Fincham wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 16:27:16 +1200 > Liam Farr wrote: > >> They did notify, "months ago" back in June... (as below) and again >> yesterday. > > Yes, but how is this meant to filter out to all the other operators not on > that exchange

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Michael Fincham
On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 16:32:09 +1200 Nathan Ward wrote: > Through whoever you buy domestic transit from - communication for these sorts > of changes, and if required protecting customers who want to run such a > service on c2610s, is a core part of such a service. If your transit > providers are

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Nathan Brookfield
The IX’s mailed out to their customers, I guess they assumed it would be unwelcome noise and that members of the exchanges would get notified that way Nathan Brookfield Chief Executive Officer Simtronic Technologies Pty Ltd http://www.simtronic.com.au On 19 Sep 2018, at 14:36, Michael Fincham

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Dave Mill
On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Michael Fincham wrote: > On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 16:32:09 +1200 > Nathan Ward wrote: > > > Through whoever you buy domestic transit from - communication for these > sorts of changes, and if required protecting customers who want to run such > a service on c2610s, is

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Joe Wooller
Hey All, We have only opened the filters for HE up on one of our route servers (RS2). We chose RS2 because unfortunately only 50% of our peers have actually bothered to configure their session to this route server. The reason we chose to do it this way is to reduce the impact on participants.

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Liam Farr
IMO I think its great that a large carrier has come to our neck of the woods, and they are openly peering on both our major IX's. This is a good thing for internet in NZ. Notifications were sent to the affected parties who peer, months in advance. I don't believe HE had any malicious intent to br

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Michael Fincham
On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 16:39:50 +1200 Liam Farr wrote: > IMO I think its great that a large carrier has come to our neck of the > woods, and they are openly peering on both our major IX's. This is a good > thing for internet in NZ. No contest. And I'm sure HE isn't here intentionally breaking the I

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Bill
Perhaps those that had issues should use such tools as prefix limits on their inbound feeds. We get notified by our edge routers quite regularly that the number of prefixes has or is about to max out. Sent from my iPhone > On 19/09/2018, at 4:39 PM, Liam Farr wrote: > > IMO I think its great

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Tim Hoffman
Don't forget that the NZ/AU concept of 'domestic table' is a fairly unique concept that isn't seen in much of the rest of the world- generally any feed is going to be default, a peering feed (customer routes), or a full table Doubt anyone thought of it ;). Congrats to Mike & Walt on extending

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Tom Paseka
If I can ask, what does a "domestic" table genuinely bring you. If you carry routes to your edge(s) that have both peering and transit, do you need to extend the DFZ all the way through your network? If you've got a single exit path (or a few) do you need to extend the domestic routes any further?

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Dave Mill
Buying 'domestic' is a way of paying for the privilege of sending/receiving traffic to Spark :) On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 5:02 PM, Tom Paseka wrote: > If I can ask, what does a "domestic" table genuinely bring you. If you > carry routes to your edge(s) that have both peering and transit, do you >

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Tom Paseka
I'd call that partial transit ;-) (BGP sanity questions remain). On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 10:05 PM Dave Mill wrote: > Buying 'domestic' is a way of paying for the privilege of > sending/receiving traffic to Spark :) > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 5:02 PM, Tom Paseka > wrote: > >> If I can ask, wha

Re: [nznog] Hello Hurricane Electric, doubling the size of our domestic table?

2018-09-18 Thread Nathan Ward
Hi, It’s been around here for a long time. Perhaps it’s a bit dated these days, sure. Getting through cables was expensive, so people offered connectivity to other NZ networks at a significantly cheaper price (think at least an order of magnitude). It wasn’t always delivered as seperate trans