RE: consumer (was Re: [oauth] Re: OAuth FAIL)

2009-03-03 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
> To: oauth@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: consumer (was Re: [oauth] Re: OAuth FAIL) > > > > > Eran Hammer-Lahav wrote: > > It is time to admit that while the terms fit the model, they confuse > the shit out of everyone reading the spec. That's a clear FAIL. >

Re: consumer (was Re: [oauth] Re: OAuth FAIL)

2009-03-03 Thread John Kemp
Hi James, On Mar 2, 2009, at 8:55 PM, Manger, James H wrote: > [johnk said] >> The problem is that the term 'consumer' is quite accurate and >> descriptive when you imagine that a software application, in the role >> of a consumer, is consuming the output of the "service provider". An >> 'applic

Re: consumer (was Re: [oauth] Re: OAuth FAIL)

2009-03-03 Thread Stephen Farrell
Eran Hammer-Lahav wrote: > It is time to admit that while the terms fit the model, they confuse the shit > out of everyone reading the spec. That's a clear FAIL. I think that's a good synopsis:-) Just one thing though, given that the putative IETF WG is probably going to be chartered to addre

Re: consumer (was Re: [oauth] Re: OAuth FAIL)

2009-03-03 Thread Hubert Le Van Gong
Not quite. In many cases (Liberty Alliance, SOA, Apple developer etc.) I've seen the term Service Consumer (and also Web Service Consumer) used and paired up with (Web) Service Provider. Hosting a protected resource and granting access to it is providing a service so I think SP is an appropriate t

RE: consumer (was Re: [oauth] Re: OAuth FAIL)

2009-03-02 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
> Eran's suggestion of "Service", "Client", and "User-Agent" sounds likes > it might work well to clarify the text. I'll go as far as claiming that OAuth is a traditional client-server model. The client uses a token to access resources. The fact that those resources are owned by a third entity d

RE: consumer (was Re: [oauth] Re: OAuth FAIL)

2009-03-02 Thread Manger, James H
[johnk said] > The problem is that the term 'consumer' is quite accurate and > descriptive when you imagine that a software application, in the role > of a consumer, is consuming the output of the "service provider". An > 'application' is certainly an OAuth system entity, but the application

Re: consumer (was Re: [oauth] Re: OAuth FAIL)

2009-03-02 Thread John Kemp
On Mar 2, 2009, at 6:32 PM, Manger, James H wrote: > I would be incredibly happy if OAuth talked about Applications, > instead of Consumers (a term many have found strange). The problem is that the term 'consumer' is quite accurate and descriptive when you imagine that a software application