Re: [OAUTH-WG] Change grant_type=none to something less confusing

2010-07-16 Thread Marius Scurtescu
I agree that grant_type=none is confusing. client or direct sound better. Marius On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Justin Richer jric...@mitre.org wrote: The choice of the value none for the grant_type parameter in the client-credentials case is confusing. I understand the philosophy behind

Re: [OAUTH-WG] resource server id needed?

2010-07-16 Thread Torsten Lodderstedt
Am 16.07.2010 18:35, schrieb Brian Eaton: On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 4:47 AM,wolfgang.steigerw...@telekom.de wrote: +1 to Thorstens statement. There are use cases beyond local deployments. Definitely. For example, I'm interested in deployments where neither clients nor resource

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Change grant_type=none to something less confusing

2010-07-16 Thread Brian Eaton
+1. How about calling it client password, or something along those lines...? That's what Dick called it for WRAP. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hardt-oauth-01#page-13 Cheers, Brian On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Marius Scurtescu mscurte...@google.com wrote: I agree that grant_type=none

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Alternative Upgrade Flow

2010-07-16 Thread Marius Scurtescu
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Justin Richer jric...@mitre.org wrote: The current proposal for a 1.0-2.0 upgrade flow is to use the assertion profile and pass the OAuth token in there. Instead, one could create an endpoint that speaks the 1.0 protocol fully, signatures and client secrets and

Re: [OAUTH-WG] resource server id needed?

2010-07-16 Thread Brian Eaton
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Torsten Lodderstedt tors...@lodderstedt.net wrote: then we should put those use cases and requirements on the table and try to find a solution fulfilling these different needs. That's what (from my point of view) standard definition is all about. What do you

Re: [OAUTH-WG] What to do about 'realm'

2010-07-16 Thread Yaron Goland
That's my point. The spec says Words of *TEXT MAY contain characters from character sets other than ISO- 8859-1 [22] only when encoded according to the rules of RFC 2047 [14]. But since RFC 2047 is a dead letter as a practical matter the only safe way to move non-ASCII content in a HTTP header

Re: [OAUTH-WG] What to do about 'realm'

2010-07-16 Thread Brian Eaton
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Yaron Goland yar...@microsoft.com wrote: That's my point. The spec says Words of *TEXT MAY contain characters from character sets other than ISO- 8859-1 [22] only when encoded according to the rules of RFC 2047 [14]. But since RFC 2047 is a dead letter as a

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Change grant_type=none to something less confusing

2010-07-16 Thread Torsten Lodderstedt
good idea. Am 16.07.2010 21:26, schrieb Brian Eaton: On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Brian Campbell bcampb...@pingidentity.com wrote: +1 for something different but not client password as sounds like it would preclude other methods of client authentication I think it would work

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Change grant_type=none to something less confusing

2010-07-16 Thread David Recordon
I've always found client password to be a confusing term. On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Brian Eaton bea...@google.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Brian Campbell bcampb...@pingidentity.com wrote: +1 for something different but not client password as sounds like it would

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Change grant_type=none to something less confusing

2010-07-16 Thread Brian Campbell
I guess I don't see why there's a need to distinguish between, in the grant type identifier, how the client authenticates? (this is all presupposes, of course, some kind of assertion based client authentication technique) On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Brian Eaton bea...@google.com wrote: On

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Change grant_type=none to something less confusing

2010-07-16 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
And that matters how? EHL On Jul 16, 2010, at 16:57, Brian Eaton bea...@google.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:37 PM, David Recordon record...@gmail.com wrote: I've always found client password to be a confusing term. Are you going to support this flow at all...?

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Change grant_type=none to something less confusing

2010-07-16 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
External, out-of-band, implicit. It cannot be client because that is not always the case. EHL On Jul 16, 2010, at 12:40, Marius Scurtescu mscurte...@google.com wrote: I agree that grant_type=none is confusing. client or direct sound better. Marius On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:30 AM,

Re: [OAUTH-WG] What to do about 'realm'

2010-07-16 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
If you specify it. It is supported but not required. EHL On Jul 16, 2010, at 16:16, Brian Eaton bea...@google.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Yaron Goland yar...@microsoft.com wrote: That's my point. The spec says Words of *TEXT MAY contain characters from character sets

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Change grant_type=none to something less confusing

2010-07-16 Thread Brian Eaton
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Eran Hammer-Lahav e...@hueniverse.com wrote: External, out-of-band, implicit. It cannot be client because that is not always the case. Can you point to a use case where someone is going to use the client password flow to authenticate something besides a client?

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Moving the User Experience Extension draft forward

2010-07-16 Thread Marius Scurtescu
I agree that these parameters are useful, but not sure if they belong in the User Experience extension. I think we should create a separate extension for unregistered clients: - how to signal that this client is unregistered, maybe use a special value like anonymous as the client id - what client

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Change grant_type=none to something less confusing

2010-07-16 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
The client authentication can be used to retrieve a grant previously arranged. While the grant is linked to the client, it is not always about the client's resources. Calling it 'client' implies it is about the client's resources. EHL On Jul 16, 2010, at 18:19, Brian Eaton bea...@google.com

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Change grant_type=none to something less confusing

2010-07-16 Thread Brian Eaton
I withdraw my question. David might not be interested in implementing the client password flow, but he is certainly interested in implementing other flows that involve the client password term. So he's entitled to an opinion on what color the client password bike shed should be painted. =)

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Change grant_type=none to something less confusing

2010-07-16 Thread Brian Eaton
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Eran Hammer-Lahav e...@hueniverse.com wrote: The client authentication can be used to retrieve a grant previously arranged. Really? Who is going to implement that? I'm pretty sure that if the only inputs to the protocol are a client name and a client password,