Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth & Protected feeds

2010-08-04 Thread Darren Bounds
Absolutely, however, I believe the atomic units that make up the OAuth profile spectrum have not properly taken into account the tidal wave of DiSo interactions that are forth coming. Subsequently you can force them into place and say "they work" but IMO will have a hard time achieving adoption du

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth & Protected feeds

2010-08-04 Thread Torsten Lodderstedt
ts allows a simple way to > minimize on one path. > >> -Original Message- >> From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] >> On Behalf Of Manger, James H >> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:01 PM >> To: Torsten Lodderstedt >> Cc: oauth@

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth & Protected feeds

2010-08-04 Thread Torsten Lodderstedt
> >> In my opinion, this decision is up to the authorization server and not >> the resource server. Or should both be possible? What do you think? > > Theoretically, the decision should probably be up to the authorization server. > In practise, however, the decision should be *delivered* from t

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth & Protected feeds

2010-08-03 Thread William Mills
, James H > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:01 PM > To: Torsten Lodderstedt > Cc: oauth@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth & Protected feeds > > Torsten, > > >> This example illustrates that OAuth2 discovery needs to > let a service > >> explici

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth & Protected feeds

2010-08-03 Thread Manger, James H
Torsten, >> This example illustrates that OAuth2 discovery needs to let a service >> explicitly indicate whether a direct and/or user-delegation flow is required. >> For instance, a "WWW-Authenticate: OAuth2" response could define 2 >> parameters: >> 'user-uri' and 'token-uri'. If only one is pre

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth & Protected feeds

2010-08-03 Thread Torsten Lodderstedt
egroups.com; federated-social-...@googlegroups.com Subject: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth& Protected feeds Please excuse the cross posting. Following the Federated Social Web Summit in Portland a couple weeks ago, there has been a lot of chatter around protected feeds and how they'll function to achieve SW

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth & Protected feeds

2010-08-03 Thread Torsten Lodderstedt
required in a user-delegation flow. -- James Manger -Original Message- From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Darren Bounds Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2010 6:29 AM To: oauth@ietf.org; pubsubhub...@googlegroups.com; federated-social-...@googlegroups

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth & Protected feeds

2010-08-03 Thread Torsten Lodderstedt
Darren, As an OAuth 2 provider and consumer as well as someone who's preparing to build the DiSo interactions my proposal was based on, I would prefer a single flow that addresses what I feel will be a increasingly common set of requirements rather than combining two flows designed for two distin

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth & Protected feeds

2010-07-30 Thread Darren Bounds
James, > precondition_uri seems to address a requirement for optional human interaction > when an app starts accessing a protected resource. > A solution that changes the token response can only add the human interaction: > a) if OAuth is used for direct authentication/authorization of the app; an

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth & Protected feeds

2010-07-30 Thread Manger, James H
Darren, >> Your "precondition_uri" addition to the token response is >> an attempt to combine the 2 OAuth2 flows. > I'd say it's an attempt to create a new flow that's more flexible and > suitable for the type of interactions DiSo requires. precondition_uri seems to address a requirement for opt

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth & Protected feeds

2010-07-29 Thread Darren Bounds
Torsten, Yes. Federation is the basis for proposal. Federated social interactions. The value is that the provider is able to verify the assertion that user dbounds on host cliqset.com has requested access token which it will use to access and/or request access to protected resources within the go

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth & Protected feeds

2010-07-29 Thread Torsten Lodderstedt
So what the value of that assertion? The authz server cannot authenticate the user (probably not even identify). Or do you assume some kind of federation between the two domains? Am 29.07.2010 20:36, schrieb Darren Bounds: Yes, but with no requirement that the user have an account on the provi

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth & Protected feeds

2010-07-29 Thread Darren Bounds
Thanks George. My response is inline. On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 2:51 PM, George Fletcher wrote: > Question.  In the proposal, how does google know that the request is being > presented by "acct:dbou...@cliqset.com"? Is the secret used for the magic > signature in the first request, the user's priva

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth & Protected feeds

2010-07-29 Thread George Fletcher
Question. In the proposal, how does google know that the request is being presented by "acct:dbou...@cliqset.com"? Is the secret used for the magic signature in the first request, the user's private key? So in this case cliqset.com would have dbounds' private key in order to generate the signa

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth & Protected feeds

2010-07-29 Thread Darren Bounds
Yes, but with no requirement that the user have an account on the provider. It is merely an assertion the UserA on HostX made the request. On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Torsten Lodderstedt wrote: > So this assertion is conceptually equivalent to a case where the client > would have sent userna

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth & Protected feeds

2010-07-29 Thread Torsten Lodderstedt
So this assertion is conceptually equivalent to a case where the client would have sent username and password of dbounds at the authz server. Is this correct? Am 29.07.2010 17:32, schrieb Darren Bounds: Torsten, The URI represents an end-user at a domain. Through this assertion the provider i

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth & Protected feeds

2010-07-29 Thread Darren Bounds
Thanks James. Comments are inline. > It sounds like you want to use OAuth2 to insert an human/HTML interaction > into a app/Atom exchange. The proposal was designed to provide a single flow that would accommodate 0 or more human interaction requirements. Additionally, the scope should not limite

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth & Protected feeds

2010-07-29 Thread Darren Bounds
Torsten, The URI represents an end-user at a domain. Through this assertion the provider is able to verify the magic signature and thus confirm user dbounds at host cliqset.com has requested an access token. References: http://code.google.com/p/webfinger/wiki/WebFingerProtocol http://salmon-proto

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth & Protected feeds

2010-07-29 Thread Manger, James H
-- James Manger -Original Message- From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Darren Bounds Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2010 6:29 AM To: oauth@ietf.org; pubsubhub...@googlegroups.com; federated-social-...@googlegroups.com Subject: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth & Prot

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth & Protected feeds

2010-07-28 Thread Torsten Lodderstedt
Darren, I have got some questions regarding your posting, esp. the assertion. 1) cliqset.com would like to request an access token from google.com. Sends a request with grant_type=assertion. Request: POST /token HTTP/1.1 Host: google.com Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded grant_ty

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth & Protected feeds

2010-07-28 Thread Eve Maler
Folks interested in protected feeds may be interested in UMA's solution, which proposes mechanisms to demand "claims" from the requesting side based on user-specified policyon the authorizing server side. An example of UMA-protected resources that require agreement to terms can be seen in the

[OAUTH-WG] OAuth & Protected feeds

2010-07-28 Thread Darren Bounds
Please excuse the cross posting. Following the Federated Social Web Summit in Portland a couple weeks ago, there has been a lot of chatter around protected feeds and how they'll function to achieve SWAT0 (http://federatedsocialweb.net/wiki/SWAT0). Protected feed subscriptions are clearly an impor