Re: [Ogf-l] On "Ownership" of PI...

2003-07-24 Thread HUDarklord
In a message dated 7/24/03 2:49:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: < "ownership of the text in aggregate" allow you to designate certain portions of the text that others may Use (1g of the OGL; Use = copy, modify, format, translate, or derive from) - that's the OGC - and oth

Re: [Ogf-l] Alternate Sourcing and Section 7 - and the capital "U" in Use...

2003-07-24 Thread HUDarklord
In a message dated 7/24/03 2:36:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: < specific definition for "Use" (as opposed to "use") - 1g - "Use", "Used" or "Using" means to use, Distribute, copy, edit, format, modify, translate and otherwise create Derivative Material of Open Game Cont

Re: [Ogf-l] "D20" as Product Identity

2003-07-24 Thread HUDarklord
In a message dated 7/24/03 1:47:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: < the GWoH, it would be pretty clear that you took the entire concept from Wizards, violating their PI. >> No, why?  Unless I set it in _their_ GWoH, then I could write entire books on my version of the place

Re: [Ogf-l] "D20" as Product Identity

2003-07-24 Thread HUDarklord
In a message dated 7/24/03 2:33:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: < interpretation of the wording is at cross purposes to the intent, chances are that interpretation is not correct.  I understand his reasons, but the stated intent is fundamental to a correct interpretation.

Re: [Ogf-l] "D20" as Product Identity

2003-07-24 Thread HUDarklord
In a message dated 7/24/03 12:22:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Martin -- you have a dead on target understanding of the options I'm asking people to think about.  Things aren't as black and white (to me at least) as they are to others. One are of clarification: < C. A c

Re: [Ogf-l] SRD released (apparantly)

2003-07-24 Thread Fred
No. They just want to prevent it from continuing. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - But, can they go actually go after products that use only the SRD instead of the RSRD? Paul [input] They're clearly gearing up to go after products titled "D20 X". ___

[Ogf-l] On "Ownership" of PI...

2003-07-24 Thread The Sigil
As the list of "that which can be PI" specifically calls out certain things that are NOT normally copyrightable in and of themselves, allow me to suggest the following... When you write a book, the book, taken in aggegrate, and including the names therein, is subject to copyright, making you th

[Ogf-l] Alternate Sourcing and Section 7 - and the capital "U" in Use...

2003-07-24 Thread The Sigil
On the whole "forbidden terms list" versus "white-out" question and whether alternately sourcing from the public domain is permissible... The wording is, obviously, not totally airtight (or we wouldn't be having this discussion on the lists to begin with), but the best sense I can make of Secti

RE: [Ogf-l] "D20" as Product Identity

2003-07-24 Thread Bryan Fields
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin L. Shoemaker >Lee is looking to understand -- based on the language in the license, not just stated intent -- which is correct: Well, there's a reason appellate courts look at original intent - if a

Re: [Ogf-l] "D20" as Product Identity

2003-07-24 Thread Orison Game Design
> If I said, "New Jersey is the gray waste of Hades", > it would not, to my > knowledge, under Title 17, ever be understood of as > constituting a derivative work. Agreed, but if you were to write an RPG module set in the GWoH, it would be pretty clear that you took the entire concept from Wizard

RE: [Ogf-l] "D20" as Product Identity

2003-07-24 Thread Bryan Fields
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin L. Shoemaker >C. A claim of PI IS a claim of ownership, just as is a copyright notice or a trademark indicator. It's a statement that "I believe that I am the owner of X, and I am willing to defend t

RE: [Ogf-l] "D20" as Product Identity

2003-07-24 Thread Martin L. Shoemaker
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Bryan Fields > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 11:31 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Ogf-l] "D20" as Product Identity > > It isn't a new area > of copyright, or a new category of IP. It's a contract under > existing

RE: [Ogf-l] "D20" as Product Identity

2003-07-24 Thread Bryan Fields
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Either PI is a subset of copyright and trademark and "ownership" (a prerequisite for PI) is established under those bodies of law OR it must be true that PI goes beyond those bodies of la

Re: [Ogf-l] "D20" as Product Identity

2003-07-24 Thread HUDarklord
In a message dated 7/23/03 10:33:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: < contract in which you agree to place a portion of your creation in the public domain.  Copyright and PI/OGL are apples & oranges. >> Why do people keep repeating this?  Look, you can't have it both ways.  E

Re: [Ogf-l] SRD released (apparantly)

2003-07-24 Thread paul . king
But, can they go actually go after products that use only the SRD instead of the RSRD?PaulThey're clearly gearing up to go after products titled "D20 X". ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l