Re: [oi-dev] Resignation as OI Lead

2012-08-31 Thread Damian Wojslaw
Am 2012-08-30 22:18, schrieb garrett.dam...@dey-sys.com: Again, you misunderstood what I was talking about. I wasn't talking about open vs. closed at all. So let me clarify: What is *broken* was the model of slavishly trying to follow OpenSolaris, or to be an "open & free" alternative to

Re: [oi-dev] Resignation as OI Lead

2012-08-31 Thread Milan Jurik
Hi, I wanted to avoid this but I cannot stop myself forever to hear without reaction. On 31.08.2012 01:53, garrett.dam...@dey-sys.com wrote: On Aug 30, 2012, at 2:20 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Thu, 30 Aug 2012, garrett.dam...@dey-sys.com wrote: So let me clarify: What is *broken* was

Re: [oi-dev] Resignation as OI Lead

2012-08-31 Thread Volker A. Brandt
garrett.dam...@dey-sys.com writes: > So then, I have just a single question: What is the compelling > reason for doing all this effort? Why not just load up Ubuntu on > your desktop (or buy a Mac, or even run *cough* Windows) and run > illumos bits in a VM? http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Au

Re: [oi-dev] Resignation as OI Lead

2012-08-31 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 08/31/2012 11:14 AM, Volker A. Brandt wrote: > garrett.dam...@dey-sys.com writes: >> So then, I have just a single question: What is the compelling >> reason for doing all this effort? Why not just load up Ubuntu on >> your desktop (or buy a Mac, or even run *cough* Windows) and run >> illumos

Re: [oi-dev] Resignation as OI Lead

2012-08-31 Thread Piotr Jasiukajtis
Guys, Please, This is a developer mailing list. If you want to help OpenIndiana please go to the issue tracker :) at https://www.illumos.org/projects/openindiana/issues Thanks, -- Piotr Jasiukajtis ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org htt

Re: [oi-dev] Resignation as OI Lead

2012-08-31 Thread Jean-Pierre André
Milan Jurik wrote: Hi, [...] This crap I heard for years inside Sun. Rumor say half of laptops used by Sun employees (and paid by Sun) were Macs in last year. And the most of core developers were not using Solaris on their laptops. With very same excuse. Now the question - why should new

Re: [oi-dev] Resignation as OI Lead

2012-08-31 Thread Yuri Pankov
On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:28:46 +0200, Jean-Pierre André wrote: Milan Jurik wrote: Hi, [...] This crap I heard for years inside Sun. Rumor say half of laptops used by Sun employees (and paid by Sun) were Macs in last year. And the most of core developers were not using Solaris on their laptops.

Re: [oi-dev] Resignation as OI Lead

2012-08-31 Thread Jonathan Adams
> Think of why no open developer has ported LibreOffice, > whose original design comes AFAIK from Sun. I got to the point that this almost compiled on an OI u4 machine (and I'm not ex-Sun) delivering my changes back to LibreOffice. Most of the changes in the LO code were to remove the Sun Compi

Re: [oi-dev] Resignation as OI Lead

2012-08-31 Thread Jean-Pierre André
Hi Yuri, Yuri Pankov wrote: On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:28:46 +0200, Jean-Pierre André wrote: Milan Jurik wrote: Hi, [...] This crap I heard for years inside Sun. Rumor say half of laptops used by Sun employees (and paid by Sun) were Macs in last year. And the most of core developers were not u

Re: [oi-dev] Resignation as OI Lead

2012-08-31 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Thu, 30 Aug 2012, garrett.dam...@dey-sys.com wrote: So then, I have just a single question: What is the compelling reason for doing all this effort? Why not just load up Ubuntu on your desktop (or buy a Mac, or even run *cough* Windows) and run illumos bits in a VM? This position you a

Re: [oi-dev] Resignation as OI Lead

2012-08-31 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-08-31 19:43, Bob Friesenhahn пишет: On Thu, 30 Aug 2012, garrett.dam...@dey-sys.com wrote: So then, I have just a single question: What is the compelling reason for doing all this effort? Why not just load up Ubuntu on your desktop (or buy a Mac, or even run *cough* Windows) and run illu

Re: [oi-dev] Resignation as OI Lead

2012-08-31 Thread Damian Wojslaw
Am 2012-08-31 18:02, schrieb Jim Klimov: That's what I said, though you phrased it better - thanks ;) Now, there is a problem with those devices that OI does not see and can't pass through - such as USB3 ports, or use (such as my troubles with Wifi and SATA, and I'm not certain about sound wor

Re: [oi-dev] Resignation as OI Lead

2012-08-31 Thread Milan Jurik
Hi Bob, Bob Friesenhahn píše v pá 31. 08. 2012 v 10:43 -0500: > > Current OpenIndiana is satisfactory for most things that I need and > it > only lacks ready-made packages for Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice, > and the available Flash plugin. If detractors do not get in the way, > forward pr

Re: [oi-dev] Resignation as OI Lead

2012-08-31 Thread Milan Jurik
Hi Damian, Damian Wojslaw píše v pá 31. 08. 2012 v 19:00 +0200: > Am 2012-08-31 18:02, schrieb Jim Klimov: > > > > > > That's what I said, though you phrased it better - thanks ;) > > > > Now, there is a problem with those devices that OI does not see > > and can't pass through - such as USB3 port

Re: [oi-dev] Resignation as OI Lead

2012-08-31 Thread Andrew M. Hettinger
Bob Friesenhahn wrote on 08/31/2012 10:43:14 AM: > On Thu, 30 Aug 2012, garrett.dam...@dey-sys.com wrote: > > > > So then, I have just a single question: What is the compelling > > reason for doing all this effort? Why not just load up Ubuntu on > > your desktop (or buy a Mac, or even run *coug

Re: [oi-dev] Resignation as OI Lead

2012-08-31 Thread garrett . damore
On Aug 31, 2012, at 10:00 AM, Damian Wojslaw wrote: > Am 2012-08-31 18:02, schrieb Jim Klimov: >> >> >> That's what I said, though you phrased it better - thanks ;) >> >> Now, there is a problem with those devices that OI does not see >> and can't pass through - such as USB3 ports, or use (su

Re: [oi-dev] Resignation as OI Lead

2012-08-31 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 31 Aug 2012, Milan Jurik wrote: Current OpenIndiana is satisfactory for most things that I need and it only lacks ready-made packages for Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice, and the available Flash plugin. If detractors do not get in the way, forward progress will resume, and these packag

Re: [oi-dev] Drivers & USB 3 [Was: Resignation as OI Lead]

2012-08-31 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 08/31/2012 07:50 PM, garrett.dam...@dey-sys.com wrote: > > On Aug 31, 2012, at 10:00 AM, Damian Wojslaw wrote: > >> Am 2012-08-31 18:02, schrieb Jim Klimov: >>> >>> >>> That's what I said, though you phrased it better - thanks ;) >>> >>> Now, there is a problem with those devices that OI does

Re: [oi-dev] Resignation as OI Lead

2012-08-31 Thread ken mays
The Apache-OpenOffice SPARC build is at 3.4.1: http://adfinis-sygroup.ch/aoo-solaris-sparc https://adfinis-sygroup.ch/file-exchange-public/tag-AOO341/README.html https://adfinis-sygroup.ch/file-exchange-public/tag-AOO341/Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.1_Solaris_Sparc_install-arc_en-US.tar.gz ~

Re: [oi-dev] Drivers & USB 3 [Was: Resignation as OI Lead]

2012-08-31 Thread Jim Klimov
> > Unfortunately, I don't believe that getting good USB3 type > performance is possible with our current USB stack. Having that said, is it possible to bring in a quick solution - support USB3 ports at whatever the performance hits our architecture gives7 I hope that would be enough for a mou

[oi-dev] Contributing to OI

2012-08-31 Thread Kirill Ponazdyr
Hi Folks, I just read the message from Alasdair about his resignation from project. This is really sad news. He mentions my problem with MongoDB as sample of ignorance towards OI by 3rd party devs. It is not that bad thogh, mongoDB is a bit wicked as far as compilation goes anyway and out of ove

Re: [oi-dev] Drivers & USB 3 [Was: Resignation as OI Lead]

2012-08-31 Thread garrett . damore
On Aug 31, 2012, at 1:56 PM, Jim Klimov wrote: > > > Unfortunately, I don't believe that getting good USB3 type > > performance is possible with our current USB stack. > Having that said, is it possible to bring in a quick solution - support USB3 > ports at whatever the performance hits our

Re: [oi-dev] Drivers & USB 3 [Was: Resignation as OI Lead]

2012-08-31 Thread garrett . damore
>> >> USB3 at least is not solely desktop relevant. I have a backburnered plan to >> work on this. >> >> Unfortunately, I don't believe that getting good USB3 type performance is >> possible with our current USB stack. (Furthermore, our USB stack is a >> convoluted mess -- owing largely to t

Re: [oi-dev] Resignation as OI Lead

2012-08-31 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
Hi Milan, On 30/08/2012 08:46, Milan Jurik wrote: Hi, it is not good you resign. And it is not good to see OI going nowhere. Here I had long e-mail about how stupid is to think OI is threat to Nexenta (Oracle way of thinking), how irrelevant is what Bryan Cantrill says, how stupid is to give up

[oi-dev] Desktop Illumos Still Matters

2012-08-31 Thread Nick Zivkovic
I was just reading through the oi-dev archives (about the resignation of the OI lead) where a former Sun engineer, claimed that the efforts made by sun to port OpenSolaris to the desktop/laptop platforms (by adding wifi support, by making a new audio system, etc), only hurt Sun in the long run, and

Re: [oi-dev] Drivers & USB 3 [Was: Resignation as OI Lead]

2012-08-31 Thread Damian Wojsław
So, are we able to maybe able to set up a bounty on this? Użytkownik garrett.dam...@dey-sys.com napisał: >>> >>> USB3 at least is not solely desktop relevant. I have a backburnered plan >>> to work on this. >>> >>> Unfortunately, I don't believe that getting good USB3 type performance is >>>