rticipants in the Open Document Formats ecosystem.
> For this reason, I am generally in favour of graduation at this time.
+1
- Sam Ruby
lo sometimes, but at other times you might be playing
> harmony or even have a rest.
+1.
I will go further and state that I don't believe that this project is
quite there yet.
- Sam Ruby
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Jürgen Schmidt
wrote:
> On 7/3/12 4:09 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>> Your loss.
>>
>> I encourage you to rethink that response.
>
> And I would like to encourage peopl
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>
> Your loss.
I encourage you to rethink that response.
- Sam Ruby
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
>
> It's really disappointing to see uninformed people give
> opinions about things they evidently don't understand.
I can't resist :-)
http://xkcd.com/386/
- Sam Ruby
confident that we will
receive these funds, and we have sufficient funds to manage any
'float', so feel free to plan accordingly.
> Louis
- Sam Ruby
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Donald Harbison wrote:
>
> Wolf, have the funds been received by Fundraising@ ?
The funds have not been received.
If it would help if we sent out an invoice, let me know (off-list)
what should be on the invoice, and I will generate one.
- Sam Ruby
an event. If so, that would be ideal, as that
would increase the chance of the request being approved.
- Sam Ruby
.
> Any suggestions?
>
> Note that in some cases, these dependencies have no reasonable
> alternatives. For example, if we want to integrate with Mozilla's
> address book for supporting mail merging in memos, then we need to use
> the interface that Mozilla has defined, with the library they provide,
> which is naturally MPL.
Any reason such integration couldn't be an option?
> -Rob
- Sam Ruby
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
>>> Hmm ...
>>> We have discussed some of the things that must be replaced but we have not
>>>
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
> Hmm ...
> We have discussed some of the things that must be replaced but we have not
> drawn a roadmap about it beyond the initial migration list. I think we will
> have to open BZ issues for those.
>
> The gtk/qt issue is rather critcal:
previously didn't
notice that this clause was in CC-By 2.0 that that means that CC-by
3.0 is OK. It might be that the way we decide to fix that bug is to
remove CC-By 2.0 from the list.
> - Dennis
- Sam Ruby
pache host such systems?
At the moment, all we have is a Software Grant. While we could chose
to go back and ask for me (and likely will when it comes to other
source files that we determine we might need), I see nothing that
indicates that we have a need to request the transfer of hardware.
As to the question as to whether or not such hardware is Oracle's
property, I have no opinion on the topic.
> S.
- Sam Ruby
of
"incompatible licensed code" on Apache Infrastructure? I fully
understand the short term need during incubation, but what is the
intended purpose of this code post graduation?
> ++
>
> [1] after this first import we gradually import other stuff from hg or git
> with classical branching / merging.
- Sam Ruby
ntime of their choice. If anybody here feels that additional
clarity is required on this point, simply open an issue:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL
> ATB,
>
> Michael.
>
> [1] - http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gcc-exception.html
> [2] - http://osdir.com/ml/java.harmony.devel/2005-12/msg00063.html
- Sam Ruby
n needed is in the OPML file posted on
that site, the only other thing which would be helpful is the template
(skin) used.
> (There is also an OpenOffice User Experience Planet [5] but it gets
> very little traffic, so we might merge it into [4])
- Sam Ruby
> [1] http://blogs.apache.
nicer - please go for it. I never got when to use "yes/no" or
> "true/false" in our configure.in. :-)
If I read this correctly, you have this switch backwards. Copyleft
needs to be opt-in, not opt-out.
- Sam Ruby
e
participants in this project can demonstrate they they are able to
work out these things on their own, the sooner this project can
graduate.
> - Dennis
- Sam Ruby
t something the
PPMC should be expecting someone *else* (mentors, board, whomever) to
be doing for this project, this is something that the members of the
project should be actively doing.
> Ross
- Sam Ruby
ding in patches. This may be easier
once there is actual code in the repository.
- Sam Ruby
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Simon Phipps wrote:
>
> On 13 Jul 2011, at 15:10, Sam Ruby wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Simon Phipps wrote:
>>>
>>> On 13 Jul 2011, at 14:29, Sam Ruby wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Simon Phipps wrote:
>
> On 13 Jul 2011, at 14:29, Sam Ruby wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 8:56 AM, Simon Phipps wrote:
>>>
>>> On 13 Jul 2011, at 12:55, Sam Ruby wrote:
>>>
>>>> If a project d
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 8:56 AM, Simon Phipps wrote:
>
> On 13 Jul 2011, at 12:55, Sam Ruby wrote:
>
>> If a project decides to create a canonical place to find things like
>> extensions and templates then we will expect the (P)PMC to demonstrate
>> active oversight
CopyLeft (e.g. AGPL3) and proprietary
products are fine to the extent that they are consistent with our
status as a non-profit (the former is not a problem, the latter may or
may not be depending on the kind and extent of the links).
If a project decides to create a canonical place to find things like
extensions and templates then we will expect the (P)PMC to demonstrate
active oversight of that repository.
> Regards,
> Dave
- Sam Ruby
e input from ASF Counsel.
> Best Regards,
> Dave
>
>
>>
>> D
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, exactly!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 12, 2011
Apache members.
>
> Sorry, I am out of pocket and this thread is so long. Basically she is
> talking about consulting one of the ASF's attorney's regarding the names and
> brand dilution issues from a legal standpoint.
You are likely referring to this post then:
http://s.apache.org/
decisions will need to be made, and what are the todos?
Many ASF projects track things like this by the creation of a simple
file named STATUS in svn. Alternately, this could be placed on a wiki
page.
> -Rob
- Sam Ruby
...@openoffice.org - there have been approximately
> 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I haven't seen anything
> regarding Apache OOo.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
- Sam Ruby
wice. We may instead want
> to encourage new Apache volunteers who want to join the development activity
> but need to learn how everything works to create patches that mirror the
> cleanup at LO, as a route to learning about AOOo.
I encourage everybody who considers doing this to read sections 5 and
7 of the ICLA:
http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt
> S.
- Sam Ruby
nt with
this group, which includes yourself and possibly (depending on what is
proposed) Legal Affairs.
> Thanks!
>
> --Jean
- Sam Ruby
> On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 12:58 -0400, Sam Ruby wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> >
>> > 1) Are the
, for the purpose of Legal Affairs, I'd recommend focusing first
on the requirement to provide source to various constituencies. Once
those basic needs are met, follow up with requests for pre-packaged
binaries. It may turn out that certain combinations we leave to
others. That's OK too.
> confused,
> michael
- Sam Ruby
There are now (or soon will be) two actively maintained branches of
this common code base.
>> Norbert
- Sam Ruby
p in the discussion, but those would
be areas I would seek to provide concrete answers to before posting to
legal-discuss.
> I'm not arguing that #1 or #2 is a good idea or not. But some
> conversations seem to be leading to these directions, so I think it is
> worth clarifying exactly what is allowed.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Rob
- Sam Ruby
m or a truncation of a Japanese word.
> :)
The original acronym was intended as a joke:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_POI#History_and_roadmap
> Thanks,
> khirano
- Sam Ruby
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Wolf Halton wrote:
> Hi,
> I have not gotten a reply from my icla yet, I don't think. I will sign up
> to the list next week.
I see no emails from you to secret...@apache.org. If you sent it via
postal mail, it has yet to be received.
> Than
t email address, please
update MailAlias.txt first:
http://s.apache.org/MailAlias
Only committers can update that file.
> Regards,
>
> - Dennis
- Sam Ruby
[1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
> -Original Message-
> From: imacat
d proper operation of the PMC can be
found here:
http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#audience
- Sam Ruby
Pedro.
>
> Agreed.
Not directed an anyone in particular, but the essential difference
between the role of committer and the role of a member of a PMC is
that a committer does his or her own thing, but a PMC member is
responsible for oversight:
http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#audience
> Andy
- Sam Ruby
ator myself.
I have no problem adding PPMC members as moderators of the dev list, so: done.
I'd like to hear more discussion before opening this wider.
> -Rob
- Sam Ruby
ing
projects. If you can demonstrate that a single project with
subprojects is capable of self-governance, then this podling could
graduate as a separate project. If, however, there really is little
overlap between different efforts, then it is best structured as
multiple projects.
> -Rob
- Sam Ruby
need to update our policies on the web site to make
something clearer as to what is acceptable or not acceptable, then a
JIRA report is the first step.
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL
- Sam Ruby
g wrong. Anyway, the
> site is now online.
Command line documentation:
http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-site.html#command_line
> The new CMS is not a Apache project, right? The project site of the CMS is
> realy hard to find. I find no link to it on any Apache tutorial.
> Greeting
e directories.
- Fix mime type on the png files
> -Rob
- Sam Ruby
the "new CMS", but it seems to me
that initial load might be easier using the command line:
http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-site.html#command_line
> Thanks for any hints!
>
> -Rob
- Sam Ruby
at your employer has waived such rights for
your Contributions to the Foundation, or that your employer has
executed a separate Corporate CLA with the Foundation.
> Corporations / individuals can sponsor the ASF, but cannot direct those
> donations.
>
> Ross/Sam, do I have this stated correctly?
>
> Regards,
> Dave
- Sam Ruby
least, we already created educoo.it ( http://www.educoo.it ),
>> educoo.es (http://educoo.es ), educoo.no (http://educoo.no ) + some others.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eric
>>
>> --
>> qɔᴉɹə
>> Education Project:
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project
>> Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page
>> L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org
>> Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
- Sam Ruby
ody is subscribed to
both lists. I'm doing it initially to establish cross-connections,
but over time people should post one place and provide pointers
elsewhere.
> Regards,
> Mathias
- Sam Ruby
Changing the subject line and copying legal-discuss.
- Sam Ruby
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 7:18 AM, Mathias Bauer wrote:
> On 14.06.2011 19:32, Greg Stein wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 13:17, Mathias Bauer
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 14.06.2011 19:04, Greg S
Reposting with a new subject line, and copying the appropriate
trademark's mailing list.
The relevant policy can be found here:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
- Sam Ruby
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Ian Lynch wrote:
> On 16 June 2011 12:00, Sam Ruby wrote:
>
>&g
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 7:44 AM, RA Stehmann
wrote:
> Sam Ruby schrieb:
>
>> The only 'contact' that people need for this project is
>> ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org.
>
> I don't think so. If for example the press wants to know, what's new in
> Ope
> description in case something turns out to be needed? Or is there even a
> more neutral word?
The only 'contact' that people need for this project is
ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org.
If this list grows too large or too busy, then we can create
additional 'contacts' in the form of more mailing lists.
> Ingrid
- Sam Ruby
gt; a technical implementation.
Do you have a concrete proposal?
- Sam Ruby
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Stephan Bergmann
wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Mathias Bauer wrote:
>
>> On 15.06.2011 18:07, Sam Ruby wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 6:10 AM, Mathias Bauer
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> there ar
talk
through the issue on the relevant list.
It is way too early to worry about exiting incubation just yet, but a
key component of making that happen will be having the PPMC
demonstrate that they are capable of self-governance.
> Ross
- Sam Ruby
riorities are driven by whom, and how they get represented by whom,
Short answer: don't vote! Yes, we want to include everybody!
Here's a few links:
http://s.apache.org/H8J
http://s.apache.org/D16
http://community.apache.org/committers/
> Martin
- Sam Ruby
If you are a new committter to this project, and make use of multiple
email addresses, please let us know by editing a file named
MailAlias.txt. Among other things, this may speed up processing of
things like subscription requests. Following are command line
instructions, but you are welcome to u
t in a code repository hosted at apache.org?
This is most likely NOT a problem:
http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#build-tools
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-23
- Sam Ruby
hat portion of
the above page up to date.
Early next week, I'll try to follow up with those that have yet to
submit an ICLA.
> Thanks,
> Ingrid
- Sam Ruby
attack him whenever he tries to be
> constructive.
It is not a question of benefit of the doubt. Anybody who wants to
make a difference is welcome to participate. The operative word,
however, is "participate".
> Ross
- Sam Ruby
-only. Yes, I knew better,
or at least once did, but it is also something I (apparently) tend to
forget as once I have a checked out repository I don't have to worry
about the URIs any more.
My point: don't be afraid to ask questions.
> Thanks,
>
> -Rob
- Sam Ruby
g&q=irc
If you look around, you can also find documentation on how committers
can update the incubator site to include this information for this
project. (hint, hint :-)
> -Rob
- Sam Ruby
ommunity together.
I'll simply note that those people with a "foot" here are those that
are actually doing the work.
> S.
- Sam Ruby
n list.
I suggest that we coordinate using the incubator status file:
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/openofficeorg.html
I've been adding people to that page as the ICLAs are received and the
Account Requests are processed.
> Cheers,
> -g
- Sam Ruby
hile, those that are willing to set up a subversion repository
are welcome to do so. And those that are willing to begin importing
code into that repository can begin once that is done.
> S.
- Sam Ruby
up for participants to experiment with. Joe and others can
also connect people who are interested in git with like-minded others
who can share experiences and workload.
- Sam Ruby
when doing a
> vanity search, but this is the first time I've seen a hybrid of the handle.
- Sam Ruby
what? If the ASF has control of it, will we still use
> it a sort of central starting point for accessing the project?
Lesson 1: the ASF is a very bottoms-up organization. This is
something the PPMC should work out. What do you propose?
- Sam Ruby
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