Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-24 Thread Jim Jagielski
Well, the intent for AOOo from the very beginning was to provide an ALv2 licensed version of the OOo codebase for *all* codebases in the OOo ecosystem to be able to consume. The very fact that LO and TDF are also implying that this makes sense by admitting that they will be AOOo consumers is nice.

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-24 Thread Ross Gardler
On 24 May 2012 12:44, Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Ross Gardler > wrote: >> Thanks for the pointer Shane. Its a shame people can't see this for what it >> is. The LO team are taking a step that makes collaboration easier from a >> technical point of view. This is a good thin

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-24 Thread Jim Jagielski
Well, the intent for AOOo from the very beginning was to provide an ALv2 licensed version of the OOo codebase for *all* codebases in the OOo ecosystem to be able to consume. The very fact that LO and TDF are also implying that this makes sense by admitting that they will be AOOo consumers is nice.

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-24 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 12:28 AM, Michael Meeks wrote: > > On Wed, 2012-05-23 at 22:51 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: >> There is very little code of value in AOO that can simply be copied >> as-is into LO and then never touched again.   Typically the code will >> need to be modified when initially merged

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-24 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Michael Meeks wrote: > Hi Rob, > > On Wed, 2012-05-23 at 22:31 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: >> It seems to be based on an interesting theory about what an SGA >> actually does.   It seems to assume that the SGA itself puts the code >> under the Apache License. > >      

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-24 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > Thanks for the pointer Shane. Its a shame people can't see this for what it > is. The LO team are taking a step that makes collaboration easier from a > technical point of view. This is a good thing. > > Yes, the sharing of code is still one w

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-24 Thread Ross Gardler
Thanks for the pointer Shane. Its a shame people can't see this for what it is. The LO team are taking a step that makes collaboration easier from a technical point of view. This is a good thing. Yes, the sharing of code is still one way, unless individual contributors decide to submit patches to

RE: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-23 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
t is part of the ASF operation in the public interest that there is no problem with this, I say. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 19:31 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts On Wed,

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-23 Thread Michael Meeks
On Wed, 2012-05-23 at 22:51 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > There is very little code of value in AOO that can simply be copied > as-is into LO and then never touched again. Typically the code will > need to be modified when initially merged into LO. But then, as bugs > are fixed or the feature is enh

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-23 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Rob, On Wed, 2012-05-23 at 22:31 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > It seems to be based on an interesting theory about what an SGA > actually does. It seems to assume that the SGA itself puts the code > under the Apache License. Ah - I can see how you get there from the pre-amble; the empha

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-23 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:20 AM, drew wrote: > On Wed, 2012-05-23 at 23:13 +0900, Kazunari Hirano wrote: >> Hi Louis, >> >> We can start sharing codes. > > That is not really what it says, nor what it means IMO. > > With regard to the MPL specifically, I asked during a session on > licensing at t

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-23 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > In case folks haven't seen this: > >  http://legal-discuss.markmail.org/thread/mleqsm636zf5fqia > > Which points to: > >  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Relicensing > > So it looks like there will be plenty of code sharing! 8-

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-23 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 09:43:43AM -0400, Shane Curcuru wrote: > In case folks haven't seen this: > > http://legal-discuss.markmail.org/thread/mleqsm636zf5fqia > > Which points to: > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Relicensing > > So it looks like there will be plenty of co

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-23 Thread Pedro Giffuni
On 05/23/12 14:58, Donald Whytock wrote: Um, guys? As this concerns a LibreOffice webpage over which the AOO committers largely have no control, is it better to have this argument here or on a LibreOffice-related list? Don Hmm.. yes that was my last comment :). (back to coding) Pedro.

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-23 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
LO(L). Lots of Love, Louis On 2012-05-23, at 15:58 , Donald Whytock wrote: > Um, guys? As this concerns a LibreOffice webpage over which the AOO > committers largely have no control, is it better to have this argument > here or on a LibreOffice-related list? > > Don

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-23 Thread Donald Whytock
Um, guys? As this concerns a LibreOffice webpage over which the AOO committers largely have no control, is it better to have this argument here or on a LibreOffice-related list? Don

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-23 Thread Pedro Giffuni
On 05/23/12 11:49, Michael Meeks wrote: Hi Pedro, On Wed, 2012-05-23 at 10:36 -0500, Pedro Giffuni wrote: There are no details of the relicensing process but doesn't look very clean to me: - They are basically assuming that OOo 3.3.x (where they started has been relicensed under ALv2, which is

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-23 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
On 2012-05-23, at 10:20 , drew wrote: > On Wed, 2012-05-23 at 23:13 +0900, Kazunari Hirano wrote: >> Hi Louis, >> >> We can start sharing codes. > > That is not really what it says, nor what it means IMO. Quite. > > With regard to the MPL specifically, I asked during a session on > licensin

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-23 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
On 2012-05-23, at 10:13 , Kazunari Hirano wrote: > Hi Louis, > > We can start sharing codes. The licenses would seem to permit it, as MPLv2 is seemingly compatible with AL2. However, the language of this page, http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Relicensing , is less encouraging,

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-23 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Pedro, On Wed, 2012-05-23 at 10:36 -0500, Pedro Giffuni wrote: > There are no details of the relicensing process but doesn't look > very clean to me: > - They are basically assuming that OOo 3.3.x (where they started > has been relicensed under ALv2, which is not true. This is emphatic

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-23 Thread Pedro Giffuni
FWIW, And with the traditional IANAL disclaimer: On 05/23/12 08:43, Shane Curcuru wrote: In case folks haven't seen this: http://legal-discuss.markmail.org/thread/mleqsm636zf5fqia Which points to: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Relicensing There are no details of the

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-23 Thread Andre Fischer
On 23.05.2012 15:43, Shane Curcuru wrote: In case folks haven't seen this: http://legal-discuss.markmail.org/thread/mleqsm636zf5fqia Which points to: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Relicensing So it looks like there will be plenty of code sharing! 8-> In both directions? -A

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-23 Thread drew
On Wed, 2012-05-23 at 23:13 +0900, Kazunari Hirano wrote: > Hi Louis, > > We can start sharing codes. That is not really what it says, nor what it means IMO. With regard to the MPL specifically, I asked during a session on licensing at the recent Apache Barcamp the question of mixing MPL within

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-23 Thread Kazunari Hirano
Hi Louis, We can start sharing codes. I like it. :) Thanks, khirano On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: > See below > > (Nonsense words? iPad's spellchecker.) > > -- Louis Suárez-Potts > > > > On 2012-05-23, at 9:55, Kazunari Hirano wrote: > >> Hi Shane, >> >> Thanks for

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-23 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
See below (Nonsense words? iPad's spellchecker.) -- Louis Suárez-Potts On 2012-05-23, at 9:55, Kazunari Hirano wrote: > Hi Shane, > > Thanks for the links. > It's good. I like it. What do you like? > :) > Thanks, > khirano > > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote: >>

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

2012-05-23 Thread Kazunari Hirano
Hi Shane, Thanks for the links. It's good. I like it. :) Thanks, khirano On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > In case folks haven't seen this: > >  http://legal-discuss.markmail.org/thread/mleqsm636zf5fqia > > Which points to: > >  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Developm