Re: [OpenAFS] the future

2012-09-30 Thread Lars Schimmer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-10-01 08:34, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: > Because you don't expose your internal group NFS/SMB share to > collaborators in another timezone, and central IT policy won't let > you expose the Netapp. Thats what a VPN at network borders do already.

Re: [OpenAFS] the future

2012-09-30 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 07:55:36AM +0200, Lars Schimmer wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 2012-10-01 06:48, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:38:10PM +0200, Lars Schimmer wrote: > >> On 30.09.2012 21:10, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: > >> > >>> One-tim

Re: [OpenAFS] the future

2012-09-30 Thread Lars Schimmer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-10-01 06:48, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:38:10PM +0200, Lars Schimmer wrote: >> On 30.09.2012 21:10, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: >> >>> One-time deals (on linux) that require interaction will blow up >>> all kinds of autom

Re: [OpenAFS] the future

2012-09-30 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:38:10PM +0200, Lars Schimmer wrote: > On 30.09.2012 21:10, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: > > > One-time deals (on linux) that require interaction will blow up all kinds > > of automated tools and leave the rank and file admins your enemy. > > Easy, user do call admins angry

Re: [OpenAFS] the future

2012-09-30 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
How much would you pay per month to be listed on the 'donate' landing page as an OpenAFS supporter, and have access to nag-free binaries? As a comparison, what is your college monthly spend on RHEL? How do we, as a community of developers, make a case to your management that the value provided by

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: the future

2012-09-30 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
I'd say the summary is something like this: 1) YFS (your-file-system) is forking (or re-implementing) OpenAFS to be able to have a commercially viable business & product that will have the financial return-on-investment needed to justify the cost of implementing a long list of things, starting wit

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: the future

2012-09-30 Thread Jeffrey Altman
Steve: I have written many paragraphs over the last couple of months. They are drowned out by the noise. There is no burnout. Russ and I both resigned from the Elders for different reasons. You can read our resignation letters in the openafs-announce 2012 archives http://lists.openafs.org/pi

[OpenAFS] Re: the future

2012-09-30 Thread Devine, Steven (sd)
Please know that this post is offered in the hopes of helping, or at least giving a viewpoint of one that operates on the edge of the OpenAFS. I am generally unaware of the current dilemma that seems to be facing OpenAFS. I read this list in digest mode and recent changes in my responsibilities

Re: [OpenAFS] the future

2012-09-30 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 02:33:07PM -0500, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: > src/aklog$ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=../../lib ./aklog > This software is free software, and depends on your ongoing support > Please consider a donation to http://openafs.org/Donate > src/tfs/src/aklog$ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=../../lib ./aklog -no

Re: [OpenAFS] the future

2012-09-30 Thread Lars Schimmer
On 30.09.2012 21:10, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: > One-time deals (on linux) that require interaction will blow up all kinds > of automated tools and leave the rank and file admins your enemy. Easy, user do call admins angry and stupid. And Admins change OpenAFS to NFS/SMB/or anything else, which is

Re: [OpenAFS] the future

2012-09-30 Thread Aaron Knister
Hi Troy, I admire your energy and desire to support openafs but I think this approach would create a lot of angry people. If we deployed this at the university for which I used to work we would have a mob of angry users. We'd end up modifying the source to remove it. Regarding support, some t

Re: [OpenAFS] the future

2012-09-30 Thread Gary Gatling
Could government or corporate grants be a way to raise funding for development of new features or programmers in openafs? Especially since openafs is open source software and everyone benefits? I'm sorry if this is a stupid question... I'm not sure what our high level management here would think a

Re: [OpenAFS] the future

2012-09-30 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
How about this: src/aklog$ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=../../lib ./aklog This software is free software, and depends on your ongoing support Please consider a donation to http://openafs.org/Donate src/tfs/src/aklog$ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=../../lib ./aklog -nonag src/tfs/src/aklog$ After doing this, I realized I n

Re: [OpenAFS] the future

2012-09-30 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
I would hope that the donation link would be a more subtle, and equally effective incentive. If edu CIO's start getting emails from professors asking "Why is this software we depend on asking for donations", maybe they'd start looking at their overhead budgets. But that overhead money will come fr

Re: [OpenAFS] the future

2012-09-30 Thread Ted Creedon
My intent was to foment a user uprising resulting in pressure on the .edu & .com level administrators to provide funding from established budgets. More of a corporate funding than individual contributions. Perhaps a cc to the local spreadsheet managers would get the user needs better communicated.

Re: [OpenAFS] the future

2012-09-30 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 02:49:08AM -0700, Ted Creedon wrote: > How about taking a AFS wide survey using a aklog token driven one time pop > up explaining that AFS is not being updated according to industry standards > and that it needs substantial financial support. > > Most users are charged fo

Re: [OpenAFS] Funding the formation of an OpenAFS Foundation

2012-09-30 Thread Jeffrey Altman
On 9/29/2012 12:16 AM, Brian Sebby wrote: > To Jeff, especially, I have to say this - you are one of the most talented > programmers I have ever known, and I cannot thank you enough for the work > that you've put into OpenAFS. I think it's no exaggeration that if you > hadn't come in and turned th

Re: [OpenAFS] the future

2012-09-30 Thread Ted Creedon
I didn't mean an unauthorized shutdown. How about taking a AFS wide survey using a aklog token driven one time pop up explaining that AFS is not being updated according to industry standards and that it needs substantial financial support. Most users are charged for computer support one way or an