Re: Downloading previous versions of archetypes from CKM

2019-05-28 Thread Dileep V S
Hi Ian/Marcus, Thanks everybody for a healthy discussion that I am sure will help many implementors. My idea was not to belittle what the community has achieved with the limited resources. That would be unkind on my part to all the community members who have(and continue to) invested their time a

Re: Downloading previous versions of archetypes from CKM

2019-05-28 Thread Ian McNicoll
Hi Marcus, Thanks for your support. I would love to see NHSX support something like this, especially as I know the FHIR folks are going down that road and we need something that goes well beyond just openEHR artefacts and into termsets, valuesets, rules etc. Every community working on health sema

RE: Downloading previous versions of archetypes from CKM

2019-05-28 Thread Bakke, Silje Ljosland via openEHR-clinical
Hi Paul, We recently challenged our regional health authorities about the governance of a structured EHR that you’re describing: “In all four regions, the procurement and/or introduction of structured EHR solutions is imminent. Three of the regions will use a common information standard in the

Re: Downloading previous versions of archetypes from CKM

2019-05-28 Thread Marcus Baw
Interesting discussion and I agree with Ian that the openEHR community should remember to give itself credit for what HAS been done, with very little resource, rather than beating themselves up about what tooling is missing from the ecosystem. An automated archetype package and dependency manager,

Re: Downloading previous versions of archetypes from CKM

2019-05-28 Thread Ian McNicoll
Hi Paul, Nicely summed up. You definitely need to manage your CDR artefacts in just the same way as any other software libraries. This is currently more manually intensive than it should be but one can see how it could be largely automated However, maintaining coherent semantics is much more cha

Re: Downloading previous versions of archetypes from CKM

2019-05-28 Thread Paul Miller
Very timely discussion as we are hitting this issue right now in Scotland, and meeting together tomorrow to agree an approach - hopefully Silje and Ian joining us for that. We need not just versioning management of the content but also a way to agree a coherent set of archetypes and templates for

Re: Downloading previous versions of archetypes from CKM

2019-05-28 Thread Ian McNicoll
Thanks both, Very helpful. Just in case folks get too negative about what we have achieved, I am currently working on 4 different regional/national EHR projects. On all 4 projects, 80% of the content is covered by published (or at least very stable) international CKM archetypes. Once you get to lo

RE: Downloading previous versions of archetypes from CKM

2019-05-28 Thread Bakke, Silje Ljosland via openEHR-clinical
Hi everyone, It seems like Dileep’s original questions have been largely answered by other members of the community, thank you! 😊 There’s been some added discussion about the effects of changing archetypes on implementations and implementers. Heather wrote an email about this four years ago

Re: Downloading previous versions of archetypes from CKM

2019-05-28 Thread Ian McNicoll
I'll let Silje and Heather talk more about overall progress with the publication [process but we all have ot recognise that this is a huge job which just takes time. As Sebastian has said most of the work done, even at an editorial level is done by volunteers, in particular, the Norwegian CKM team