Re: Modeling generic concepts, considerations for querying

2017-10-10 Thread Thomas Beale
On 10/10/2017 16:26, Birger Haarbrandt wrote: Hi Thomas, sorry for the late answer, I just came back from my vacation. For our project, we would certainly like to start with commercial openEHR repos for the larger sites. From my understanding, most products of the bigger openEHR vendors are

Re: Modeling generic concepts, considerations for querying

2017-10-10 Thread Birger Haarbrandt
Hi Thomas, sorry for the late answer, I just came back from my vacation. For our project, we would certainly like to start with commercial openEHR repos for the larger sites. From my understanding, most products of the bigger openEHR vendors are ready for ADL 2. If I'm wrong on that, we need t

Re: Aw: Re: Modeling generic concepts, considerations for querying

2017-10-02 Thread Thomas Beale
I forgot to mention that we will probably (almost certainly) upgrade the structure of terminology bindings to allow more meta-data, and we will probably upgrade the annotations to allow more data types. Technically speaking, both of these are breaking changes, but as ADL2 is not in use outsid

Re: Aw: Re: Modeling generic concepts, considerations for querying

2017-10-02 Thread Thomas Beale
On 01/10/2017 09:06, Birger Haarbrandt wrote: Hi Thomas, in Germany, we really would like to start our "green field" project using ADL 2 for reasons like this. We would highly appreciate if the official governance tools of the openEHR Foundation would start to support ADL 2 very soon so that

Aw: Re: Modeling generic concepts, considerations for querying

2017-10-01 Thread Birger Haarbrandt
Hi Thomas, in Germany, we really would like to start our "green field" project using ADL 2 for reasons like this. We would highly appreciate if the official governance tools of the openEHR Foundation would start to support ADL 2 very soon so that we don't have to migrate eventually. Best, Birge

Re: Modeling generic concepts, considerations for querying

2017-10-01 Thread Pablo Pazos
Everyone, thanks a lot for all your comments and feedback. @Lars, yes both things are not exclusive, but modeling small archetypes makes template ids not needed at the query level. I agree with your point of the difficulty of keeping track of templates in queries, since at some point we might wa

Re: Modeling generic concepts, considerations for querying

2017-09-30 Thread Thomas Beale
In ADL2 it doesn't really matter. THe only difference is that in an ADL2 template, specialisations are local 'overlays' inside the patient template, rather than distinct archetypes in the archetype library. In which case, you should specialise with archetypes as long as the archetypes are li

RE: Modeling generic concepts, considerations for querying

2017-09-27 Thread Pekka.Pesola
: Re: Modeling generic concepts, considerations for querying I agree with this one. Option 1 would create a kind of forest of dependencies, many many archetypes in complex hierarchic systems, like SNOMED in the endnodes. I don't think anyone would want this. Option 2 is the option represent

Re: Modeling generic concepts, considerations for querying

2017-09-26 Thread Bert Verhees
I agree with this one. Option 1 would create a kind of forest of dependencies, many many archetypes in complex hierarchic systems, like SNOMED in the endnodes. I don't think anyone would want this. Option 2 is the option represents the power of OpenEHR. By the way, SNOMED also supports higher h

Re: Modeling generic concepts, considerations for querying

2017-09-26 Thread Jussara macedo
I also recommend to use option 2. The most powerful feature of the openEHR approach is to have the concepts builds as lego blocks, the maximum data, aiming they can be reused in several scenarios. That let out of the messy spaces of specialist systems, each one modeling their own vision of concep

Re: Re: RE: Modeling generic concepts, considerations for querying

2017-09-26 Thread Ian McNicoll
Hi due to We developed a UK oriented termsrt as the LOINC based list used by HL7 CDA was too US oriented but the principle is identical. We will probably apply the term to composition name/value which allows mappings rather than the templateid. Both are available to AQL Ian On 26 Sep 2017 at 10

Re: Modeling generic concepts, considerations for querying

2017-09-26 Thread Seref Arikan
Hi Pablo, I am not a clinician but as an implementer I see the benefits of less specific archetypes quite often. The fundamental role of archetypes is reuse. It is so by design and templates solve the problem of composition (in the object oriented sense, not the RM type). I think the rule I try t

RE: Modeling generic concepts, considerations for querying

2017-09-26 Thread Bakke, Silje Ljosland
templates could be a governable way to handle this problem. Regards, Silje From: openEHR-clinical [mailto:openehr-clinical-boun...@lists.openehr.org] On Behalf Of Heather Leslie Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:56 AM To: For openEHR clinical discussions Subject: RE: Modeling generic concepts

Re: RE: Modeling generic concepts, considerations for querying

2017-09-26 Thread Diego Boscá
I agree with Ian that we should probably use a real 'coded' approach? I believe HL7 uses Loinc for that. Spanish MoH has also proposed snomed terms for each entry in the national archetypes. Maybe we can explore something like this before trying to create our own pseudoterminology 2017-09-26 11:10

Re: RE: Modeling generic concepts, considerations for querying

2017-09-26 Thread Ian McNicoll
Hi Heather That is pretty well my approach too. I think we will start yo see more formal coding of composition names to be able to accurately identify the content. In the UK we have developed a document name SNOMED subset for this purpose and will also use this for ihe xds metadata. Ian On 26 Se

RE: Modeling generic concepts, considerations for querying

2017-09-26 Thread Heather Leslie
Hi Pablo, The modeller’s dilemma! If you make clinical synopsis more specific then how many variations will there be in the end? We will end up with zillions of variations of all the generic archetypes which will be an absolute governance nightmare. I would prefer to see the queryable filter m