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2009-05-20 Thread Sam Heard
Hi All I think I have said it before but I think we need to see this managed at the publication level. CKM currently stores translations as distinct assets. This has a number of advantages: 1) Translations can be added, reviewed, accredited asynchronously for the same archetype 2)

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2009-05-04 Thread Sam Heard
Hi Tim I am keen, as some others have said, that CKM manages this with users being able to get as many translations as they need when they download the archetype. The advantage with the approach is that you do not need the source language to translate using the archetype so you do not need to

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2009-05-04 Thread Thomas Beale
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2009-05-04 Thread Thomas Beale
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2009-05-04 Thread Thomas Beale
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2009-05-03 Thread Thomas Beale
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2009-05-03 Thread Tim Cook
On Sun, 2009-05-03 at 16:43 +0100, Thomas Beale wrote: I am not a priori for or against any particular solution, but I think we should remember that the source form of archetypes is not the format for which effciency matters; the operational template form is the important one. see your

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2009-05-01 Thread Heath Frankel
Tim, As I mentioned, the requirement was to have a hash that can be referenced at runtime without the need to reference an online service. For example a recent version of the Ocean Template Designer includes integrity checking of archetypes used in a template to ensure that the archetype is the

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2009-04-30 Thread Hugh Leslie
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2009-04-30 Thread Heath Frankel
Hi Koray, I will let others respond about translations etc, but I did want to pick up on your point about multi-part file. This was an option recently consider when we were looking at a mechanism to record an MD5 Hash of the archetype. There was a desire to provide this hash external to the ADL

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2009-04-30 Thread Tim Cook
Hi Hugh, On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 10:23 +1000, Hugh Leslie wrote: I agree Tim that this is an issue. One of the possible ways forward is allowing a user to select which translations they want in the archetype before downloading it from the repository. This would be something that would be

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2009-04-30 Thread Tim Cook
On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 16:28 +0930, Heath Frankel wrote: Hi Koray, I will let others respond about translations etc, but I did want to pick up on your point about multi-part file. This was an option recently consider when we were looking at a mechanism to record an MD5 Hash of the

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2009-04-30 Thread Thomas Beale
It is clearly true that with a number of translations the archetype will grow bigger, and initially (some years ago) I thought separate files might be better as well. But I really wonder if it makes any difference in the end - since, in generating the 'operational' (aka 'flat') form of an

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2009-04-30 Thread Sebastian Garde
Thomas Beale wrote: It is clearly true that with a number of translations the archetype will grow bigger, and initially (some years ago) I thought separate files might be better as well. But I really wonder if it makes any difference in the end - since, in generating the 'operational' (aka

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2009-04-30 Thread Tim Cook
On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 22:03 +1000, Thomas Beale wrote: It is clearly true that with a number of translations the archetype will grow bigger, and initially (some years ago) I thought separate files might be better as well. But I really wonder if it makes any difference in the end - since, in

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2009-04-29 Thread Koray Atalag
Hi Tim, an important issue for me too! The archetypes I am working with (Endoscopy ones) are already quite big and there are 11 (yes eleven) languages! I completely translated one of them (MST Colon) and it is 6359 lines long. I also had quite an experience with localisation of software in

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2009-04-28 Thread Tim Cook
Hi All, I raised the below CR and I wanted to open up discussion on this issue. Actually I brought it up a few years ago but I don't have a record of where/when; now. I know that this have a major impact on implementers but I think the current way we handle translations in ADL is a monster that