Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB

2015-03-03 Thread Chris Cox
: Larry Gritz l...@larrygritz.com Date: Friday, February 27, 2015 1:10 PM To: Chris Cox c...@adobe.com, openexr-devel@nongnu.org openexr-devel@nongnu.org openexr-devel@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB TIFF spec addenda may support fp16

[Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB

2015-02-28 Thread Deke Kincaid
I bugged this internally at The Foundry when I saw your pull request on oiio a week or so back. If anyone really wants it email our support and refer to this id: Bug 47739 - Add half float support to Tiff On Friday, February 27, 2015, Larry Gritz l...@larrygritz.com

Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB

2015-02-28 Thread Larry Gritz
Outstanding, thanks! I was going to send you guys a separate email, but just hadn't quite gotten to it yet. OIIO already reads these fp16 TIFF files just fine, but the code to enable writing them is currently '#if 0'ed out (instead, it automatically promotes half pixels to float when

Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB

2015-02-28 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
on the unofficial Adobe draft and sample files. Bob Chris From: Larry Gritz l...@larrygritz.com Date: Friday, February 27, 2015 1:10 PM To: Chris Cox c...@adobe.com, openexr-devel@nongnu.org openexr-devel@nongnu.org openexr-devel@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files

Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB

2015-02-27 Thread Kai-Uwe Behrmann
Am 27.02.2015 um 15:44 schrieb Elle Stone: On 02/23/2015 02:42 PM, Kai-Uwe Behrmann wrote: LCMS is just one CMM, with its prefered set of min and maximal values for certain colour spaces. I could never find it convincing to have CIE*L expressed in % in LCMS, the same goes for Cmyk - a printing

Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB

2015-02-27 Thread Chris Cox
No, 32 bit float is 32 bit float. And TIFF supports 16 (half, same as EXR), 24, and 96 bit float formats as well. Chris On 2/27/15 6:44 AM, Elle Stone ellest...@ninedegreesbelow.com wrote: Are there differences in the number of stops that can be held in 32-bit floating point tiffs vs

Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB

2015-02-27 Thread Elle Stone
On 02/27/2015 03:24 PM, Chris Cox wrote: No, 32 bit float is 32 bit float. And TIFF supports 16 (half, same as EXR), 24, and 96 bit float formats as well. Chris, thanks! I've been wondering about that for a while, whether 32-bit floating point OpenEXR somehow was able to accomodate more stops

Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB

2015-02-27 Thread Larry Gritz
TIFF spec addenda may support fp16, but Nuke (among many other apps) doesn't read it correctly, which makes it nearly useless on a VFX pipeline. On February 27, 2015 12:24:44 PM PST, Chris Cox c...@adobe.com wrote: No, 32 bit float is 32 bit float. And TIFF supports 16 (half, same as EXR),

Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB

2015-02-27 Thread Chris Cox
@nongnu.orgmailto:openexr-devel@nongnu.org openexr-devel@nongnu.orgmailto:openexr-devel@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB TIFF spec addenda may support fp16, but Nuke (among many other apps) doesn't read it correctly, which makes it nearly useless on a VFX pipeline

Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB

2015-02-23 Thread Elle Stone
On 02/23/2015 12:08 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: Most free/libre editing applications do not natively use floating point to store internal raster data and they display their data using interfaces which only support 8 integer bits per sample. OpenEXR is useful to store floating point data. The

Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB

2015-02-23 Thread Kai-Uwe Behrmann
Am 23.02.15 um 18:46 schrieb Elle Stone: On 02/23/2015 12:08 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: However, floating point TIFF and ICC do not normally go hand in hand. I'm confused by this statement. LCMS reads and writes ICC profiles embedded in floating point tiffs. GIMP 2.9 exports 32f tiffs with

Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB

2015-02-23 Thread Brendan Bolles
On Feb 20, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Elle Stone wrote: I'm involved with GIMP development as it pertains to ICC profile color management. GIMP is primarily used for processing photographic images and for creating digital art. As Lars said, I've been writing EXR files with ICC profiles from After

Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB

2015-02-22 Thread Elle Stone
On 02/21/2015 02:26 PM, Joseph Goldstone wrote: The ACES committee (an unfortunate change of name from the Image Interchange Framework committee) agreed with Florian on much of what was published in this document, but let go of indirect output referred imagery or output referred imagery in

Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB

2015-02-22 Thread Gonzalo Garramuno
On 22/02/15 11:32, Deke Kincaid wrote: Hi Eli There are ACES config files for ocio too https://github.com/imageworks/OpenColorIO-Configs Please note that these config files seem to not have been updated for ACES1.0 yet. ___ Openexr-devel mailing

Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB

2015-02-22 Thread Deke Kincaid
Ahh right, they are still in HP's fork here: https://github.com/hpd/OpenColorIO-Configs On Sunday, February 22, 2015, Gonzalo Garramuno ggarr...@gmail.com wrote: On 22/02/15 11:32, Deke Kincaid wrote: Hi Eli There are ACES config files for ocio too

Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB

2015-02-22 Thread Haarm-Pieter Duiker
Hello Elle, I put together the ACES 1.0 OCIO config for The Academy. Hopefully I can help answer some of your questions. Specifically, you asked Does anyone use ACES in conjunction with ICC profile color management? If so, do they use OpenEXR to store RGB data? We have found that many people

Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB

2015-02-22 Thread Lars Borg
. Lars Borg Adobe Typos generously provided by the phone Original message From: Elle Stone Date:02/22/2015 8:09 AM (GMT-10:00) To: Deke Kincaid Cc: openexr-devel@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB On 02/22/2015 09:32 AM, Deke

Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB

2015-02-22 Thread Lars Borg
After Effects uses icc profiles with exr. Lars Borg Adobe Typos generously provided by the phone Original message From: Elle Stone Date:02/22/2015 3:59 AM (GMT-10:00) Does anyone use ACES in conjunction with ICC profile color management? If so, do they use OpenEXR to store

Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB

2015-02-22 Thread Gonzalo Garramuno
On 22/02/15 15:35, Lars Borg wrote: Original message From: Elle Stone Date:02/22/2015 3:59 AM (GMT-10:00) Does anyone use ACES in conjunction with ICC profile color management? If so, do they use OpenEXR to store RGB data? My viewer, mrViewer supports ICC profiles as well as

Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB

2015-02-22 Thread Karl Rasche
The specific question was whether photographic image editors should allow writing nonlinearly encoded RGB data to OpenEXR files, or whether instead the RGB data should be converted to a linear gamma ICC profile before being exported as OpenEXR. In the usual photographic workflow, editing

Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB

2015-02-21 Thread Gonzalo Garramuno
On 21/02/15 21:09, Gonzalo Garramuno wrote: On 21/02/15 07:28, Elle Stone wrote: On 02/20/2015 09:03 PM, Piotr Stanczyk wrote: So on the one hand, it seems arbitrary and pointless to insist that data be converted from whatever ICC profile working space the user has chosen, to a linear gamma

Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB

2015-02-21 Thread Joseph Goldstone
There’s this paragraph on page 1: At this time the committee's work is not complete, and several aspects of what is described below are not fully resolved. This document does not attempt to define a standard. The goal of this document is to encourage interested parties to experiment with CTL

Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB

2015-02-21 Thread Elle Stone
On 02/20/2015 04:03 PM, Christopher Horvath wrote: I would strenuously argue this is correct for the R, G, B channels, specifically: Others have maintained that statements in the OpenEXR documentation such as By convention, OpenEXR stores scene-referred linear values in the RGB

Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB

2015-02-21 Thread Elle Stone
On 02/20/2015 09:03 PM, Piotr Stanczyk wrote: Elle, The intent is very much that of a scene linear encoded data for colour data in an OpenEXR file. Of course, you can put anything in there you like, but of the applications I am aware of all will interpret the data as linear, scene referred.

Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB

2015-02-21 Thread Elle Stone
On 02/21/2015 12:19 PM, Piotr Stanczyk wrote: Thanks Elle, When you have a moment, could you post a link to this group to the gimp conversation, if possible? Piotr Part of the conversation is in a bug report: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316646 Part of the conversation was on

Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB

2015-02-20 Thread Christopher Horvath
I would strenuously argue this is correct for the R, G, B channels, specifically: Others have maintained that statements in the OpenEXR documentation such as By convention, OpenEXR stores scene-referred linear values in the RGB floating-point numbers (Technical Introduction to OpenEXR)

Re: [Openexr-devel] OpenEXR files with nonlinearly encoded RGB

2015-02-20 Thread Piotr Stanczyk
Elle, The intent is very much that of a scene linear encoded data for colour data in an OpenEXR file. Of course, you can put anything in there you like, but of the applications I am aware of all will interpret the data as linear, scene referred. Out of interest, what is your motivation for