Hi everyone,
Further to my 7.02am note (just awoken then) and Joseph's subsequent instruction on the subject for today's discussion, I had copied and pasted that message below. The nice thing about this virtual extended meeting time frame is that I can add to my earlier note with some comments
molly,
with all due respect, what is the point of offering opportunities to
vote for or against a position if a nay vote is disallowed or
prevents the possibility of membership? please explain to me how
the loyal opposition can voice their opinion without harassment,
retribution, exclusion
Will,
For some reason I didn't receive the email you sent below with the
attached formplease resend a copy to me for the record.
Joseph
Molly Cheah wrote:
Hi Will,
What you have done is incorrect. As you disagree with the constitution,
we will not be able to include your name in the
If the process requires all of the items to be approved to move forward,
I submit it is fatally flawed. If all are required to be approved then
there should simply be one vote up or down. If not then the results of
the process should be able to go forward based on the various possible
outcomes.
On Apr 25, 2006, at 1:31 AM, Daniel L. Johnson wrote:
On Tue, 2006-04-25 at 05:59 -0700, Will Ross wrote:
... isn't it moot to discuss a result before completing the process?
An interesting usage of a word that's evolving, as the etymology
includes the idea of a meeting, and in legal
Joseph Dal Molin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Will,
Please forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing ;-)
They have not done this before!
Perfection is worth striving for, but it is almost never reachable, Therefore it was agreed by most of us that it was OK to get it
OSCHA committee,
It is a little troublesome that Will's membership is being
discarded along with his comments. Essentially the arguments of the
committee is lets get it working and then worry about getting it right.
This is fine but I, at least, will have to wait to see it working right
before
Fred,
Nothing is being discardedI am taking minutes.
There is no disadvantage to waiting to register with OSHCA until after
this clunky process for bootstraping incorporation is complete. In
fact, given the clunky birthing process and concerns raised, it will be
extremely important for
fred, joseph, and all,
please do not vote with your feet and leave this process. this is
a good effort and deserves to get built without folks walking out or
staying on the sidelines.
we all win when we figure out how to move forward.
[wr]
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On Apr 25, 2006, at 10:41 AM,
Fred Trotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fred,
There was enough time given for dissent/discussion. Molly asked everyone repeatedly to comment on the issues. We can't wait for ever, therefore a time limit was set, and the FINAL draft was set down. Therfore there was really nothing to
I second Tim's and Joseph's vote of thanks to Molly and Juliana.
My vote has been sent to Molly and Joseph (I agreed with all resolutions).
Regards,
John
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John Lemos Forman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tecso Informática Ltda.
LSB 3.1 also incorporates the recently approved ISO standard LSB Core (ISO/IEC 23360) into the standard. The Free Standards Group also has said that Red Hat, Novell, Ubuntu, Asianux and others are all certifying their versions of their operating systems to the LSB, delivering true world-wide
I don't understand the complaint about Will's concerns. The voting
wasn't done when he indicated his comments.
So why do you say that everything was done and over with? What is the
voting about then? Perhaps
I'm missing something important? I thought voting was a democratic
process. :-)
Dear Will,
I understand your concerns. On the other hand, Perfection is the enemy of
the good and I believe we should not risk having OSHCA constitution delayed
for another couple years...
If you choose not to come aboard for now, please send me your suggestions as
I will gladly forward them
john,
i'm concerned this message and the assumptions beneath it.
i am attempting to join a process that needs to be loosely coupled
enough to allow serial participation.
stop trying to kick me out of oshca.
with best regards,
[wr]
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On Apr 25, 2006, at 12:01 PM, John
Will,
I'm sorry if you understood my message as an attempt to kick you out of
OSHCA.
I meant exactly the opposite.
Regards,
John
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John Lemos Forman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tecso Informática Ltda. www.tecso.com.br
On Tue, 2006-04-25 at 23:37 +0100, Thomas Beale wrote:
Joseph Dal Molin wrote:
Will,
why not let the process proceed and see what the results of the votes
are?
Agreed. I have voiced similar concerns about the current process to the
protem and am comfortable going with the flow
Hi,
It's time that the Inaugural Meeting has come to a close, the longest
inaugural meeting that allows interested and supportive people across
the globe to move for the registration of OSHCA. The protem committee
will take note of all comments and submission and will deliberate and
then
Will Ross wrote:
nandalal,
from the perspective of a simple discussion at a face to face
meeting, this is what is happening:
we have a motion and a second to approve the 1.0 draft of the
constitution. is there any further discussion?
Although there was at least a two week
Will Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Will,
You are right! The flawed process was an attempt to get the OSHCA formally retgisterd, start a web site and get going. Endless changes and debate are not going to do this.
Therefore, with this somewhat awkward, even ridiculous process, we
I think it will take along time before the value of OSCHA approaches the
value of the openhealth list. As long as the lurkers are the right people,
they can be very valuable. OpenHealth has been key to the formation of
relationships that are actually producing code. My relationship with Will
I commend Molly and the Protem committee for all of the hard work.
I assume the digestion of this event will include reporting how the
voting went.
( I've been curious why protem was used for the committee name instead
of protemp?)
I supposed I should have followed all the openhealth
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