Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Replacing both disks in a mirror

2012-10-10 Thread DavidHalko
Subject: set Message-ID: 5073f8cc.9050...@cos.ru Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed 2012-10-09 13:01, Andrej Javor?ek wrote: Martin I hope you succeeded to get your data back. +1 I have been beaten by ZFS couple of times before +2 ;) Now the main

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 151a7 text installer

2012-10-10 Thread Jeppe Toustrup
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 6:43 AM, Yuri Vorobyev vo...@yamalfin.ru wrote: Hello. Why text installer images of 151a7 build absent? Thanks. Where have you looked for it? I see it on the list here: http://dlc.openindiana.org/isos/151a7/ -- Venlig hilsen / Kind regards Jeppe Toustrup (aka.

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Replacing both disks in a mirror

2012-10-10 Thread DavidHalko
Sorry - fat fingered this message 2x already. Need an iPhone5! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 10, 2012, at 2:07 AM, DavidHalko davidha...@gmail.com wrote: 2012-10-09 13:01, Andrej Javor?ek wrote: Martin I hope you succeeded to get your data back. +1 +1000 I have been beaten by ZFS couple of

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 151a7 text installer

2012-10-10 Thread Yuri Vorobyev
Why text installer images of 151a7 build absent? Where have you looked for it? I see it on the list here: http://dlc.openindiana.org/isos/151a7/ Yes, i looked at this URL. Very strange, I can swear i saw only AI images previously. Thanks anyway.

[OpenIndiana-discuss] What is OI/illumos stance on recreation of features from Solaris 11 (and other proprietary OSes)?

2012-10-10 Thread Jim Klimov
Hello all, I was at an Oracle presentation regarding Solaris 11, and they did mention a number of features which I think appeared after the code split. Some sound like ideas simple enough to be recreated without using their source and just make a look-alike, with any other conincidence being

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 151a7 text installer

2012-10-10 Thread Andreas Stenius
I guess not all mirrors have them yet. I saw them moments ago, and now I don't, but the listing looks different too, and .mirror status file is missing now too (not sure on the name of that file exactly, but it looked like it only contained a timestamp value). 2012/10/10 Yuri Vorobyev

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What is OI/illumos stance on recreation of features from Solaris 11 (and other proprietary OSes)?

2012-10-10 Thread James Carlson
Jim Klimov wrote: So, the main question of this post is: in legislations that are relevant and actively applicable to illumos-derived OSes such as OpenIndiana, are *ideas* and technical specs (meaning public-API/config compatible but code-different implementations) patentable and

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What is OI/illumos stance on recreation of features from Solaris 11 (and other proprietary OSes)?

2012-10-10 Thread Ilya Arhipkin
Hello, everyone 10.10.12 15:51, Jim Klimov ?: 3) Immutable zones (several levels of immutability, with part of the zone filesystem being read-only) - basically we had much of this implicitly with sparse-root zones, but the new feature is a configurable attribute of the (fullroot)

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What is OI/illumos stance on recreation of features from Solaris 11 (and other proprietary OSes)?

2012-10-10 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-10-10 16:25, James Carlson пишет: Jim Klimov wrote: So, the main question of this post is: in legislations that are relevant and actively applicable to illumos-derived OSes such as OpenIndiana, are *ideas* and technical specs (meaning public-API/config compatible but code-different

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What is OI/illumos stance on recreation of features from Solaris 11 (and other proprietary OSes)?

2012-10-10 Thread James Carlson
Jim Klimov wrote: Does anyone know how, in this case, open remakes of proprietary tools and protocols can exist (i.e. CARP vs. VRRP, LACP vs. EtherChannels etc.?) - is it just good will of a proprietary author that doesn't care about hunting for imposters, or even embraces their resulting

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 151a7 text installer

2012-10-10 Thread ken mays
Some mirrors are not updated. check here: http://dlc-1.de.openindiana.org/isos ~ Ken Mays From: Yuri Vorobyev vo...@yamalfin.ru To: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 12:43 AM Subject: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 151a7 text

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What is OI/illumos stance on recreation of features from Solaris 11 (and other proprietary OSes)?

2012-10-10 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012, Jim Klimov wrote: Hello all, I was at an Oracle presentation regarding Solaris 11, and they did mention a number of features which I think appeared after the code split. Some sound like ideas simple enough to be recreated without using their source and just make a

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What is OI/illumos stance on recreation of features from Solaris 11 (and other proprietary OSes)?

2012-10-10 Thread James Carlson
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: Patents and copyrights are to be feared. Indeed, though they are very different beasts. Copyright covers a specific expression of an idea, and exists automatically. A patent basically covers the idea itself, regardless of expression, and requires a process to establish.

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What is OI/illumos stance on recreation of features from Solaris 11 (and other proprietary OSes)?

2012-10-10 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-10-10 21:03, James Carlson wrote: In any event, I still think it's somewhere between unhelpful and downright dangerous to bother with it as part of OpenIndiana. I've probably crossed the line from trying to shut it down to being part of the problem, so I'm going to try to shut up now ...

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What is OI/illumos stance on recreation of features from Solaris 11 (and other proprietary OSes)?

2012-10-10 Thread Alan Coopersmith
On 10/10/12 11:48 AM, Jim Klimov wrote: Alas, like many discussions about legalities (even those with lawyers and accountants and such), there are no concrete good answers like do this or don't do that (except the fighting club rule #1 - don't talk about it). Unfortunately, law is not well

[OpenIndiana-discuss] dumb SMF questions

2012-10-10 Thread Boris Epstein
Hello listmates, I am starting to master SMF and running into some difficulties. Hence the following questions. 1) When a service that is to be started by the SMF would not start - is there any log I should look into for error messages? 2) How do I find out which services the SMF is supposed to

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] dumb SMF questions

2012-10-10 Thread Roel_D
Wooow Boris, This is very basic knowledge that is available all over the internet. Svcs -xv will give all services that failled to start. It will present the link to the logfile of the service. Svccfg servicename will point you to all properties involved. Tip: install webmin and there will

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What is OI/illumos stance on recreation of features from Solaris 11 (and other proprietary OSes)?

2012-10-10 Thread Roel_D
I am still wondering how a company can take opensource products and build a commercial closed source around it. Hence the ZFS code. Kind regards, The out-side Op 10 okt. 2012 om 21:46 heeft Alan Coopersmith alan.coopersm...@oracle.com het volgende geschreven: On 10/10/12 11:48 AM, Jim

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What is OI/illumos stance on recreation of features from Solaris 11 (and other proprietary OSes)?

2012-10-10 Thread Alan Coopersmith
On 10/10/12 02:49 PM, Roel_D wrote: I am still wondering how a company can take opensource products and build a commercial closed source around it. It all depends on the license terms that the copyright owner chooses to make the code available under. Many open source licenses offer terms

[OpenIndiana-discuss] Announce - WAS:::::::Re: 151a7 text installer

2012-10-10 Thread Jerry Kemp
I am making an assumption from the contents of this thread that 151a7 has been released. I have just reconfirmed that I am already subscribed to: OpenIndiana-announce What mailing list do I need to be on to get announcements of releases? Thank you, Jerry On 10/10/12 09:19 AM, ken mays

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Announce - WAS:::::::Re: 151a7 text installer

2012-10-10 Thread Jan Owoc
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Jerry Kemp sun.mail.lis...@oryx.cc wrote: I am making an assumption from the contents of this thread that 151a7 has been released. I have just reconfirmed that I am already subscribed to: OpenIndiana-announce What mailing list do I need to be on to get