Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [UNSUBSCRIBE]

2013-06-06 Thread Dave McGuire
On 06/06/2013 08:00 PM, Christopher Chan wrote: >> Well, I do work in a technical industry, where people are a bit less >> tolerant of garbage. But here, even the "business" types (who don't know >> any better, and who thing crashing and viruses are "just how computers >> are") have long been tire

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [UNSUBSCRIBE]

2013-06-06 Thread Christopher Chan
Well, I do work in a technical industry, where people are a bit less tolerant of garbage. But here, even the "business" types (who don't know any better, and who thing crashing and viruses are "just how computers are") have long been tired of Windows and its crap. -Dave Tha

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [UNSUBSCRIBE]

2013-06-06 Thread Dave McGuire
On 06/06/2013 07:02 PM, Christopher Chan wrote: while "Kernel Mode Setting" is kernel related, it is of no significance for distros running on servers. But it is of paramount importance to those running desktops! Remember that Linux became popular because it is reliable alternative to both Windo

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [UNSUBSCRIBE]

2013-06-06 Thread Christopher Chan
On Friday, June 07, 2013 06:19 AM, Dave McGuire wrote: On 06/06/2013 06:17 PM, Christopher Chan wrote: On Thursday, June 06, 2013 10:26 PM, Apostolos Syropoulos wrote: while "Kernel Mode Setting" is kernel related, it is of no significance for distros running on servers. But it is of paramount

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [UNSUBSCRIBE]

2013-06-06 Thread Dave McGuire
On 06/06/2013 06:17 PM, Christopher Chan wrote: On Thursday, June 06, 2013 10:26 PM, Apostolos Syropoulos wrote: while "Kernel Mode Setting" is kernel related, it is of no significance for distros running on servers. But it is of paramount importance to those running desktops! Remember that Lin

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [UNSUBSCRIBE]

2013-06-06 Thread Christopher Chan
On Thursday, June 06, 2013 10:26 PM, Apostolos Syropoulos wrote: while "Kernel Mode Setting" is kernel related, it is of no significance for distros running on servers. But it is of paramount importance to those running desktops! Remember that Linux became popular because it is reliable alter

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [UNSUBSCRIBE]

2013-06-06 Thread Saso Kiselkov
On 06/06/2013 22:48, Roel_D wrote: > i have tests that prove that openindiana on an HP N40l outperforms a HP > DL380 G6 running windows datacenter. Would it be possible for you to write these results up into some kind of a blog post, or make the results otherwise available? Would be a wonderful t

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [UNSUBSCRIBE]

2013-06-06 Thread Roel_D
Running any solaris 10 successor has so much advantaches over Windows and linuxvariants that there is enormous commercial power available to prove there isn't. I run many mysql databases on different hardware and different OS's, but i have tests that prove that openindiana on an HP N40l outperf

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [UNSUBSCRIBE]

2013-06-06 Thread Dave McGuire
On 06/06/2013 05:25 PM, Saso Kiselkov wrote: Let's get down to brass tax here: none of the Illumos developers (and that includes me) particularly care about SPARC, because that platform has little to no future. Hardware is only available from one or two vendors at tremendous markup, which means t

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [UNSUBSCRIBE]

2013-06-06 Thread Saso Kiselkov
On 06/06/2013 22:19, Dave McGuire wrote: > On 06/06/2013 05:15 PM, Saso Kiselkov wrote: >> Let's get down to brass tax here: none of the Illumos developers (and >> that includes me) particularly care about SPARC, because that platform >> has little to no future. Hardware is only available from one

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [UNSUBSCRIBE]

2013-06-06 Thread Dave McGuire
On 06/06/2013 05:15 PM, Saso Kiselkov wrote: Let's get down to brass tax here: none of the Illumos developers (and that includes me) particularly care about SPARC, because that platform has little to no future. Hardware is only available from one or two vendors at tremendous markup, which means t

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [UNSUBSCRIBE]

2013-06-06 Thread Saso Kiselkov
On 06/06/2013 18:01, Jerry Kemp wrote: > I think that Garrett and everyone else has done an awesome job with the > work they have accomplished. I use OpenIndiana as a desktop everyday, > and I appreciate the work that all the developers have done! I wish I > was a developer and could contribute m

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] ZFS read speed(iSCSI)

2013-06-06 Thread Roel_D
80 to 100MB/s is very low, to low. How big are the files? Due to the iscsi caching/compressing mechanism speeds of 200MB/s a reachable. Even over 100Mb lines. But i saw this week on our OpenNAS server that the zfs iscsi dropped to 300Kb/s when i tried to save 8 VM's of in totaal 500GB. The firs

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] ZFS read speed(iSCSI)

2013-06-06 Thread Heinrich van Riel
If only the network guys here told me this, I do have VMware with two nics but that does not help going to the same target as pointed out. It does load balance but the total amount is only 80-100MB/s. So I guess I will change two of the interfaces in LACP on one VLAN and then the other two on anot

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [UNSUBSCRIBE]

2013-06-06 Thread Jerry Kemp
I think that Garrett and everyone else has done an awesome job with the work they have accomplished. I use OpenIndiana as a desktop everyday, and I appreciate the work that all the developers have done! I wish I was a developer and could contribute myself. I do networking/Cisco and Unix/Sola

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [UNSUBSCRIBE]

2013-06-06 Thread Dave McGuire
On 06/06/2013 10:26 AM, Apostolos Syropoulos wrote: >> while "Kernel Mode Setting" is kernel related, it is of no >> significance for distros running on servers. > > But it is of paramount importance to those running desktops! > Remember that Linux became popular because it is reliable > alternat

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [UNSUBSCRIBE]

2013-06-06 Thread Dave McGuire
Yep. And the Illumos crowd is damaging their own image fast. Between attitude problems costing them overall credibility (delusions of grandeur, talking about "market share" and "shareholders" in the context of a free open-source software project) and technical credibility (talking like the PC

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [UNSUBSCRIBE]

2013-06-06 Thread Apostolos Syropoulos
> > while "Kernel Mode Setting" is kernel related, it is of no > significance for distros running on servers. >  But it is of paramount importance to those running desktops! Remember that Linux became popular because it is reliable alternative to both Windows and MacOS as a desktop system. >

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with IPS dependancies.

2013-06-06 Thread Christopher X. Candreva
On Thu, 6 Jun 2013, Christopher X. Candreva wrote: > On Thu, 6 Jun 2013, Alexander Pyhalov wrote: > > > Hello. > > If I'm correct, you have to set pkg.depend.runpath property in manifest, > > something like > > > > set name=pkg.depend.runpath value=$PKGDEPEND_RUNPATH:/usr/local/lib > > Alexande

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] WD reds any good for ZFS RAIDZ pools?

2013-06-06 Thread Robbie Crash
I'm running a shit show of drives at home in my pool, 4xWD 1TB black, 4xWD 2TB green (with TLER) and 4xWD 3TB reds. All are in RAIDZ and I've had no problems over the last ~2 years. Since it's all the same pool, I can't tell you what performance will be like just on the reds, but stability wise, I

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [UNSUBSCRIBE]

2013-06-06 Thread Jerry Kemp
Martin's distro, unfortunately, is the only one willing to support Sparc, so he is going to pull a good sized chunk of the community based on that alone. Jerry On 06/ 6/13 08:40 AM, Apostolos Syropoulos wrote: Hello everybody, It is no secret that Solaris users form a very small minority.

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with IPS dependancies.

2013-06-06 Thread Christopher X. Candreva
On Thu, 6 Jun 2013, Alexander Pyhalov wrote: > Hello. > If I'm correct, you have to set pkg.depend.runpath property in manifest, > something like > > set name=pkg.depend.runpath value=$PKGDEPEND_RUNPATH:/usr/local/lib Alexander, thank you. This solves the first problem for libgcc_s > > dep

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [UNSUBSCRIBE]

2013-06-06 Thread Jonathan Adams
while "Kernel Mode Setting" is kernel related, it is of no significance for distros running on servers. while USB3 support is kernel related, it is of no real significance for those specifying the servers with specific bits of hardware, USB just isn't enterprise quality. "OpenOffice/LibreOffice a

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [UNSUBSCRIBE]

2013-06-06 Thread Apostolos Syropoulos
> >Unless Martin is willing to maintain and push forward the huge OS/Net >codebase on his own, Illumos is realistically the only game in town. >He's a talented fellow no doubt, but building a distro and maintaining a >kernel are not in the same league. > Hello everybody, It is no secret that Sola

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] ZFS read speed(iSCSI)

2013-06-06 Thread Saso Kiselkov
On 05/06/2013 23:52, Heinrich van Riel wrote: > Any pointers around iSCSI performance focused on read speed? Did not find > much. > > I have 2 x rz2 of 10x 3TB NL-SAS each in the pool. The OI server has 4 > interfaces configured to the switch in LACP, mtu=9000. The switch (jumbo > enabled) shows a

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with IPS dependancies.

2013-06-06 Thread Alexander Pyhalov
Hello. If I'm correct, you have to set pkg.depend.runpath property in manifest, something like set name=pkg.depend.runpath value=$PKGDEPEND_RUNPATH:/usr/local/lib It seems, you need to set On 06/06/2013 06:21, Christopher X. Candreva wrote: I'm playing with creating IPS packages (in a VM, so

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [UNSUBSCRIBE]

2013-06-06 Thread Saso Kiselkov
It is: http://www.dilos.org/about-dilos : "DilOS - it is illumos based system with Debian package manager (dpkg+apt)" Unless Martin is willing to maintain and push forward the huge OS/Net codebase on his own, Illumos is realistically the only game in town. He's a talented fellow no doubt, but buil