Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] SSDs for OI hipster ZFS root mirror?

2021-08-21 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
The cost of atime is not very dramatic when using zfs except for perhaps the snapshots issue which was already mentioned. This is because the atime updates are cached in memory and are only written to underlying store at the next zfs sync interval. So maybe atime will be updated in the filesy

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] SSDs for OI hipster ZFS root mirror?

2021-08-21 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
Seems like the Linux style O_NOATIME flag (usable only by root - or on Solaris derivatives, possibly with a fine-grained permission) might be a useful addition to the OS, so that system programs that read a lot of files can avoid causing massive time updates that either generate excess I/O and o

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] SSDs for OI hipster ZFS root mirror?

2021-08-21 Thread Peter Tribble
On Sat, Aug 21, 2021 at 10:32 AM James wrote: > On 19/08/2021 23:58, Carl Brewer wrote: > > Further to this - is it worth disabling atime on the ZFS root pool > > that's on the SSDs? I don't imagine it's a lot of data, but it would add > > up over the years. > > Do you ever look at the access tim

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] SSDs for OI hipster ZFS root mirror?

2021-08-21 Thread Carl Brewer
On 21/08/2021 7:32 pm, James wrote: On 19/08/2021 23:58, Carl Brewer wrote: Further to this - is it worth disabling atime on the ZFS root pool that's on the SSDs? I don't imagine it's a lot of data, but it would add up over the years. Do you ever look at the access times? not personally, bu

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] SSDs for OI hipster ZFS root mirror?

2021-08-21 Thread James
On 19/08/2021 23:58, Carl Brewer wrote: Further to this - is it worth disabling atime on the ZFS root pool that's on the SSDs? I don't imagine it's a lot of data, but it would add up over the years. Do you ever look at the access times? SSD or otherwise it must add writes when reading. I have b

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] SSDs for OI hipster ZFS root mirror?

2021-08-19 Thread Carl Brewer
Further to this - is it worth disabling atime on the ZFS root pool that's on the SSDs? I don't imagine it's a lot of data, but it would add up over the years. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindi

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] SSDs for OI hipster ZFS root mirror?

2021-08-18 Thread Carl Brewer
I now have a pair of Samsung SSD 980 500GB NVMe M.2 drives as a ZFS mirror for root on this new machine.  It installed straight away with no dramas. It boots fast! Wow. Thank you all for your help and advice, esp Aurelian for the updated USB image. Any chance OI could do a release of it? Th

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] SSDs for OI hipster ZFS root mirror?

2021-08-17 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Mon, 16 Aug 2021, Carl Brewer wrote: Nice.  I have 32 GB, should be enough. Thank you. I'm off to grab a couple of M.2s and see how they go. Note that I am using AHCI-mode M.2s (similar to "SATA" but at M.2 speed) which are likely now somewhat rare. It is essential that the system BIOS

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] SSDs for OI hipster ZFS root mirror?

2021-08-16 Thread Carl Brewer
On 16/08/2021 4:29 pm, Stephan Althaus wrote: Hi! Remember that firefox likes if there is plenty of swap configured! It does not use much though. Not using FF, this machine is pretty-much a dedicated virtualbox host. The VM's will be on spinning HDDs i have 32GB ram and 32GB swap configure

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] SSDs for OI hipster ZFS root mirror?

2021-08-15 Thread Stephan Althaus
On 8/16/21 1:35 AM, Carl Brewer wrote: > On 16/08/2021 9:29 am, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: >> On Sun, 15 Aug 2021, Carl Brewer wrote: I am using a pair of Samsung 250GB M.2 SATA SSDs for boot for many years already (since 2015) with no issues. >>> >>> Are you putting swap onto something

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] SSDs for OI hipster ZFS root mirror?

2021-08-15 Thread Carl Brewer
On 16/08/2021 9:29 am, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Sun, 15 Aug 2021, Carl Brewer wrote: I am using a pair of Samsung 250GB M.2 SATA SSDs for boot for many years already (since 2015) with no issues. Are you putting swap onto something else or just letting it use the SSDs? Swap is using the d

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] SSDs for OI hipster ZFS root mirror?

2021-08-15 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sun, 15 Aug 2021, Carl Brewer wrote: I am using a pair of Samsung 250GB M.2 SATA SSDs for boot for many years already (since 2015) with no issues. Are you putting swap onto something else or just letting it use the SSDs? Swap is using the default so it is using the SSDs. There is suffic

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] SSDs for OI hipster ZFS root mirror?

2021-08-15 Thread Carl Brewer
On 14/08/2021 11:37 pm, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2021, Carl Brewer wrote: Rather than use a couple of 1TB WD red pros or Blacks, is it a good choice to run a ZFS root mirror on a couple of SSDs? I figure I'd only need 250MB or so, all the data etc will be on spinning drives in

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] SSDs for OI hipster ZFS root mirror?

2021-08-14 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sat, 14 Aug 2021, Carl Brewer wrote: Rather than use a couple of 1TB WD red pros or Blacks, is it a good choice to run a ZFS root mirror on a couple of SSDs? I figure I'd only need 250MB or so, all the data etc will be on spinning drives in a raidZ-something array, the root system - apart

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] SSDs for OI hipster ZFS root mirror?

2021-08-14 Thread Gary Mills
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 02:35:12PM +1000, Carl Brewer wrote: > > Rather than use a couple of 1TB WD red pros or Blacks, is it a good choice > to run a ZFS root mirror on a couple of SSDs? I figure I'd only need 250MB > or so, all the data etc will be on spinning drives in a raidZ-something > array

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] SSDs for OI hipster ZFS root mirror?

2021-08-14 Thread Carl Brewer
On 14/08/2021 4:45 pm, Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss wrote: In regard to: [OpenIndiana-discuss] SSDs for OI hipster ZFS root mirror?,...: I don't think there's any status monitoring software for them that would run on OI? I would certainly give smartmontools a try.  Most d

[OpenIndiana-discuss] SSDs for OI hipster ZFS root mirror?

2021-08-13 Thread Carl Brewer
Rather than use a couple of 1TB WD red pros or Blacks, is it a good choice to run a ZFS root mirror on a couple of SSDs? I figure I'd only need 250MB or so, all the data etc will be on spinning drives in a raidZ-something array, the root system - apart from swap, will be pretty static read-mo