Re: [Openocd-development] A few thoughts on OpenOCD long term goals

2009-09-21 Thread Nico Coesel
Subject: Re: [Openocd-development] A few thoughts on OpenOCD long term goals > > I've heard this concern many times, but I guess at the end of the > day experienced embedded engineers have an edge > > Embedded development *is* quite involved... Also tools are > quite rough aroun

Re: [Openocd-development] A few thoughts on OpenOCD long term goals

2009-09-21 Thread Øyvind Harboe
I've heard this concern many times, but I guess at the end of the day experienced embedded engineers have an edge Embedded development *is* quite involved... Also tools are quite rough around the edges because any particular MCU has a very narrow audience. There are *literally* 1 differen

Re: [Openocd-development] A few thoughts on OpenOCD long term goals

2009-09-21 Thread Jiří Kubias
Hi, because I'm particularly newbie in Linux debugging, I have another view than you. Im trying to run jtag + openocd + gdb + something (Eclipse) to run, and there is several another problems than openocd which needs to be solved. Jtag + openocd + gdb runs perfectly (if you find your jtag and chip

Re: [Openocd-development] A few thoughts on OpenOCD long term goals

2009-09-21 Thread Nico Coesel
> -Original Message- > From: openocd-development-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto:openocd- > development-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Øyvind Harboe > Sent: zondag 20 september 2009 19:53 > To: openocd-development@lists.berlios.de > Subject: [Openocd-development]

Re: [Openocd-development] A few thoughts on OpenOCD long term goals

2009-09-20 Thread David Brownell
On Sunday 20 September 2009, Michel Catudal wrote: > > Nexus sits on top of JTAG.. > > I know that but that doesn't change the fact that it is a different > protocol than the Atmel JTAGII. For the JTAG signals, it's the same protocol. Same state machine, etc. For the "auxiliary port" it's wh

Re: [Openocd-development] A few thoughts on OpenOCD long term goals

2009-09-20 Thread Øyvind Harboe
> As for other types of processor Atmel would be nice if they would release > the specs for their proprietary debug module. > They do publish the specs for the JTAG programming but an engineer at Atmel > told me that they intend to keep the debug stuff secret. I would expect that Atmel made a sane

Re: [Openocd-development] A few thoughts on OpenOCD long term goals

2009-09-20 Thread Øyvind Harboe
> Well I just priced at DigiKey, and I saw Q-1000 prices > are higher than that.  Full speed, $US 3.85; high speed > is a bit cheaper (yay!) at $US 3.70 ... The cost of a beer rather than a few sips then. Same thing really :-) If it was free it wouldn't make a difference. -- Øyvind Harboe Em

Re: [Openocd-development] A few thoughts on OpenOCD long term goals

2009-09-20 Thread Michel Catudal
David Brownell a écrit : > On Sunday 20 September 2009, Michel Catudal wrote: > >> They have the two protocols, they are not the same. The nexus part >> involves a very expensive emulator style device while >> the other one is just the Atmel version of JTAG debugging. >> > > Nexus sits on

Re: [Openocd-development] A few thoughts on OpenOCD long term goals

2009-09-20 Thread David Brownell
On Sunday 20 September 2009, Michel Catudal wrote: > They have the two protocols, they are not the same. The nexus part > involves a very expensive emulator style device while > the other one is just the Atmel version of JTAG debugging. Nexus sits on top of JTAG.. ___

Re: [Openocd-development] A few thoughts on OpenOCD long term goals

2009-09-20 Thread Michel Catudal
David Brownell a écrit : > On Sunday 20 September 2009, Michel Catudal wrote: > >> As for other types of processor Atmel would be nice if they would >> release the specs for their proprietary debug module. >> They do publish the specs for the JTAG programming but an engineer at >> Atmel told m

Re: [Openocd-development] A few thoughts on OpenOCD long term goals

2009-09-20 Thread David Brownell
On Sunday 20 September 2009, Michel Catudal wrote: > As for other types of processor Atmel would be nice if they would > release the specs for their proprietary debug module. > They do publish the specs for the JTAG programming but an engineer at > Atmel told me that they intend to keep the debug

Re: [Openocd-development] A few thoughts on OpenOCD long term goals

2009-09-20 Thread David Brownell
On Sunday 20 September 2009, Øyvind Harboe wrote: > > Short term(a year or so), I'd like to see robustness for > the ARM target *much* improved "The" ARM? :) There are a lot of them ... - ARMv4 chips other than ARM7TDMI ("Mr Embedded ARM") aren't big growth targets; - ARMv5 has many curr

Re: [Openocd-development] A few thoughts on OpenOCD long term goals

2009-09-20 Thread Michel Catudal
Øyvind Harboe a écrit : > In terms of getting levarage with smaller chip vendors, > I believe http://www.vinchip.com is a case in point, but > I have no idea if their 32 bit risc is just another ARM > or whether it's something proprietary(didn't really look). > From what I read on the site it

[Openocd-development] A few thoughts on OpenOCD long term goals

2009-09-20 Thread Øyvind Harboe
One of my goals w/OpenOCD is that it becomes yet another thing that hardware vendors have to "check off" on the GCC toolchain list. Not having OpenOCD support should be like not having GDB support. This is a long way off, but it's something to aspire to. Short term(a year or so), I'd like to see