Re: [Opensim-dev] OGPX and IETF-ing things

2009-06-03 Thread Cristina Videira Lopes
Thanks for the clarification, Meadhbh. And sorry, I also couldn't parse the gender of your name :-) In general, I have no problem with companies wanting to make standards out of the things that they develop. However, we've only started to scratch the surface on protocols for interoperability in

Re: [Opensim-dev] LookingGlass viewer project in forge

2009-06-03 Thread Mister Blue
Sun's GPL'ed LookingGlass 3D desktop environment does have 3D in it so there is some overlap, but I'm hoping for minimal confusion since one's a world viewer and the other is a desktop and the audiences are different. Naming things is hard these days unless you want to use the name "Xkwohlw". Oh w

Re: [Opensim-dev] OGPX and IETF-ing things

2009-06-03 Thread Infinity Linden
a couple points... a. it's ms. hamrick, not mr. hamrick. but don't worry... i get that a lot. b. the purpose of the OGPX mailing list is to discuss requirements for standardization as they exist today. with the expectation that we'll eventually form a working group "soonish." c. our plan is to t

Re: [Opensim-dev] OGPX and IETF-ing things

2009-06-03 Thread Christian Scholz
Hi! Toni Alatalo schrieb: > On Jun 3, 2009, at 10:37 PM, Cristina Videira Lopes wrote: > >> Personally, I think this is all premature. IETF-ing the Hypergrid is >> premature for different reasons than IETF-ing OGP is premature. The > > I think that depends on what is meant by IETF-ing. For propo

[Opensim-dev] Until we meet again or Goodbye

2009-06-03 Thread Fly Man
After 2 days of consideration and not hearing anything from the people that I expected a response from, I came to the conclusion that it is time to say "Goodbye" This morning I released the 10 developers that were working on various projects related to OpenSim and told them that I would see them a

Re: [Opensim-dev] OGPX and IETF-ing things

2009-06-03 Thread Toni Alatalo
On Jun 3, 2009, at 10:37 PM, Cristina Videira Lopes wrote: > Personally, I think this is all premature. IETF-ing the Hypergrid is > premature for different reasons than IETF-ing OGP is premature. The I think that depends on what is meant by IETF-ing. For proposing as a standard, you are most pro

Re: [Opensim-dev] LookingGlass viewer project in forge

2009-06-03 Thread f.d.g.
Is LookingGlass really a good name for a new 3D viewer? ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Looking_Glass Bye f.d.g. Mister Blue wrote: > Over in the Forge is a new project: the LookingGlass viewer. ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@list

Re: [Opensim-dev] OGPX and IETF-ing things [text]

2009-06-03 Thread Dirk Krause
>From your track record very well documented in this mailing list, I'd say you >have good chances to get things done nicely here. Although I don't agree on >all your opinions (read: OpenID, OAuth), sometimes someone has to implement >things *when and *how she thinks it is right without political

Re: [Opensim-dev] OGPX and IETF-ing things

2009-06-03 Thread Mike Dickson
I don't have as much concern that things are done using the IETF process. That's IMO the appropriate place for some of the work given in some cases they're extending protocols already specified via IETF RFC's. Since OGP and hypergrid really sort of imply collaboration between multiple providers do

Re: [Opensim-dev] OGPX and IETF-ing things

2009-06-03 Thread Melanie
I agree on getting it working first. I also consider OGP and HG2 mutually exclusive and don't foresee a region wanting to have both. Melanie Cristina Videira Lopes wrote: > Inifinity sent me a very nice private message, which, because it was > private, I'm not going to forward here. But the b

Re: [Opensim-dev] OGPX and IETF-ing things

2009-06-03 Thread Kyle
As far as HyperGrid and when it is ready for prime time I do not think there is anyone who could speak to that better than Cristina. Kyle -Original Message- From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Cristina Videira Lopes Sent

[Opensim-dev] OGPX and IETF-ing things

2009-06-03 Thread Cristina Videira Lopes
Inifinity sent me a very nice private message, which, because it was private, I'm not going to forward here. But the bottom line of his nice message could use some public discussion. Essentially Infinity is suggesting that we move towards getting the Hypergrid work into the IETF, through th

Re: [Opensim-dev] MANTIS PRIORITY LIST PROPOSAL

2009-06-03 Thread Dirk Krause
Hi, I have to agree with Melanie. This is not about being selfish, it's about who you see as the user. Let's say you have a bug that fills your database slowly but surely, then the user and grid operator Charles K. (name abbreviated to protect the innocent) is very much influenced, but the en

Re: [Opensim-dev] MANTIS PRIORITY LIST PROPOSAL

2009-06-03 Thread Thomas Grimshaw
Well, it's not really that hard, just don't do it in a selfish way.. Put yourself in the users' shoes.. ~Tom. Melanie wrote: > "Severity" is a malleable term. To me, a bug that will cause me to > lose appearance on teleports would be _much_ more severe than one > that eats SQLite tables. > > B

Re: [Opensim-dev] MANTIS PRIORITY LIST PROPOSAL

2009-06-03 Thread Charles Krinke
I concur with Melanie. In general, the issue with Mantis is that those things which are in the interest sphere of various core developers and patch submitters will be the ones that are fixed. So, our strategy is more finding, diagnosing and confirming repeatable failures, as a minimum. Beyond

Re: [Opensim-dev] MANTIS PRIORITY LIST PROPOSAL

2009-06-03 Thread Melanie
"Severity" is a malleable term. To me, a bug that will cause me to lose appearance on teleports would be _much_ more severe than one that eats SQLite tables. Because I _do_ care about my avatar's appearance, but _don't_ use SQLite. So, I would think it's really hard to find an objective way of

Re: [Opensim-dev] MANTIS PRIORITY LIST PROPOSAL

2009-06-03 Thread Robert Martin
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Dan wrote: > Due to the large number of Mantis reports, how about prioritizing them > according to their importance, and focus on all Mantis reports related to > the most critical issues first. > how about this when we rank the bugs do two different sets of points

Re: [Opensim-dev] LookingGlass viewer project in forge

2009-06-03 Thread Kyle
Incredible work! Microsoft Case Study on ReactionGrid -Original Message- From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Mister Blue Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 12:15 PM To: opensim-dev Subject: [Opensim-dev] LookingGlass viewe

[Opensim-dev] LookingGlass viewer project in forge

2009-06-03 Thread Mister Blue
Over in the Forge is a new project: the LookingGlass viewer. What started out as a small project to learn C# turned into a whole virtual world viewer framework. It is no where near usable for normal viewing (lacking avatars and navigation and many features) but it will connect to OpenSim and render

[Opensim-dev] MANTIS PRIORITY LIST PROPOSAL

2009-06-03 Thread Dan
Due to the large number of Mantis reports, how about prioritizing them according to their importance, and focus on all Mantis reports related to the most critical issues first. For example start with any issues dealing with OAR backups since no matter what happens to a grid, as long as a region ow

Re: [Opensim-dev] Script Function llDetectedTouchUV(() and realXtend

2009-06-03 Thread Daniel Herzog
Hi, thanks for your reply. I know, that this is the opensim developer list, and because of the fact that I'm developing for opensim and many opensim user use the realxtend client I thought it would be a good idea to ask here first. It's a pity that the current rex viewer is based on a very old ve

Re: [Opensim-dev] Script Function llDetectedTouchUV(() and realXtend

2009-06-03 Thread Gustavo Alberto Navarro Bilbao
Daniel For that the answer is modrex, not RX. In the RX mail list we can give you more info. 2009/6/3 Melanie > Hi, > > the RealExtend viewer of the current generation is based on a very > old version of the SecondLife client, while SL and hippo are current > versions. These functions can not b

Re: [Opensim-dev] Script Function llDetectedTouchUV(() and realXtend

2009-06-03 Thread Melanie
Hi, the RealExtend viewer of the current generation is based on a very old version of the SecondLife client, while SL and hippo are current versions. These functions can not be made to work with the current RealExtend client. Also, this is not the RealExtend list. They have a mailinglist as we

Re: [Opensim-dev] Script Function llDetectedTouchUV(() and realXtend

2009-06-03 Thread Nebadon Izumi
Isnt Realxtend based on a older LL viewer?? these functions are probably just not available on the source tree they chose, I even recall that windlight is not even supported on this viewer, so its probably quite old in comparsion to hippo and LL's current release. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 4:40 AM,

[Opensim-dev] Script Function llDetectedTouchUV(() and realXtend

2009-06-03 Thread Daniel Herzog
Hi all, as reported on http://www.mail-archive.com/realxt...@googlegroups.com/msg00820.html, there are still some LL functions the realxtend viewer doesn't support so far. I need in particular the function "llDetectedTouchUV(int index)" to determine the mouse coordinates on a surface of a textu

Re: [Opensim-dev] Anonymous Avatar

2009-06-03 Thread Daniel Herzog
Thanks a lot for your hints. The idea with the "anonymous mode" sounds nice. We will have a deeper look at this issue and try to find a solution. If it is usable, we will share it with you ;). Greetings Daniel -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Destiny Niles [mailto:techieda...@gmail.com]

[Opensim-dev] My patch

2009-06-03 Thread Robert Dzikowski
As requested I made my patch compatible with the trunk code and I submitted it yesterday. Could someone look at this (ID 0003746), please? robert_d ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensi