Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk

2007-08-17 Thread Rich Teer
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007, Alan Burlison wrote: They post because it is the first mailing list we refer to on the site that looks even vaguely appropriate. That's our fault, not theirs, and I'm going to attempt to improve the situation. It may be a chicken-and-egg situation, but hiding our heads

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk

2007-08-17 Thread Rich Teer
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007, Alan Burlison wrote: Garrett D'Amore wrote: Btw, on the topic of this page, newbies might not be the best name for this page. newbie or NOOB is often perceived as a derogatory term... I don't want us to be perceived as elitest... I don't personally feel it is

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk

2007-08-16 Thread Martin Man
Alan Burlison wrote: It appears to me that opensolaris-discuss is becoming more and more dominated with Solaris installation questions, and the OpenSolaris content is becoming lost in the noise. Whilst it is very nice that people are being so helpful, it would seem to me that we should

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk

2007-08-16 Thread Alan Burlison
Martin Man wrote: Every question asked on -discuss means The problem solution is not obvious, I was not able to figure out better place to ask and I have not found the answer with the google No, not necessarily. I'd maintain it means I'm stuck and I posted to the first mailing list that I

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk

2007-08-16 Thread Martin Man
Alan Burlison wrote: Martin Man wrote: P.S. just BTW: what do you mean by OpenSolaris Content, isn't installation an opensolaris issue numero uno (#1)? General community discussion - proposals for new projects, suggestions for things we should address as a community etc. Most

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk

2007-08-16 Thread Alan Burlison
Brandorr wrote: We already have the first, we aren't creating any new lists and nobody is hiding anything. All I am doing is making it easier for people to find the existing forum for help. What exactly is the problem with that? I hate to say it, but the FAQs are not FAQs. We aren't

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk

2007-08-16 Thread Stephen Potter
Valerie Bubb Fenwick wrote: On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, Alan Burlison wrote: I disagree, I suspect many people have unsubscribed because of the unacceptable S/N ratio, and as a result we no longer have any good way You can count me in that bunch. I know I'm missing important

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk

2007-08-16 Thread Alan Burlison
Brandorr wrote: I think that I partly disagree with that. Project proposals go in requisite community groups. And if there isn't one, or people don't know which one is appropriate? Fair enough, but I still think no matter what we do, Newbies will continue to post to osol-discuss. RTFM, is

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk

2007-08-15 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Wed, Aug 15, 2007 at 06:52:30PM +0100, Alan Burlison wrote: It appears to me that opensolaris-discuss is becoming more and more dominated with Solaris installation questions, and the OpenSolaris content is becoming lost in the noise. Whilst it is very nice that people are being so

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk

2007-08-15 Thread Alan Burlison
Keith M Wesolowski wrote: I agree; this is why we set up opensolaris-help. But even there, questions should be about getting up and running (or up and developing) with an OpenSolaris-based distribution, not S10 or anything else. And specific questions like How can I get my e1000g NIC to

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk

2007-08-15 Thread Brandorr
On 8/15/07, Alan Burlison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Artem Kachitchkine wrote: I think it's a bit too late, just go with the flow and leave -discuss alone. Lobbies are always crowded and noisy, and those arriving in Hotel Solaris need to feel welcome in order to want to say. Who cares what

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk

2007-08-15 Thread Valerie Bubb Fenwick
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, Alan Burlison wrote: Artem Kachitchkine wrote: I think it's a bit too late, just go with the flow and leave -discuss alone. Lobbies are always crowded and noisy, and those arriving in Hotel Solaris need to feel welcome in order to want to say. Who cares what version of

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk

2007-08-15 Thread James C. McPherson
Alan Burlison wrote: Alan Burlison wrote: OK, here's a first stab, not currently linked to from anywhere else on the site. http://www.opensolaris.org/os/newbies/ Updated with Brian's list of links. Is it ok to mention this on blogs yet, or should I/we/... wait until it's solidified a

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk

2007-08-15 Thread S h i v
On 8/16/07, Alan Burlison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Burlison wrote: OK, here's a first stab, not currently linked to from anywhere else on the site. http://www.opensolaris.org/os/newbies/ May I suggest a small note at the subscribe page for opensolaris-discuss saying, if you need

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk

2007-08-15 Thread Sean Sprague
James, Alan Burlison wrote: Alan Burlison wrote: OK, here's a first stab, not currently linked to from anywhere else on the site. http://www.opensolaris.org/os/newbies/ Updated with Brian's list of links. Is it ok to mention this on blogs yet, or should I/we/... wait until it's

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk

2007-08-15 Thread Garrett D'Amore
On Wed, 2007-08-15 at 19:31 +0100, Alan Burlison wrote: Artem Kachitchkine wrote: I think it's a bit too late, just go with the flow and leave -discuss alone. Lobbies are always crowded and noisy, and those arriving in Hotel Solaris need to feel welcome in order to want to say. Who

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk

2007-08-15 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Sean Sprague wrote: James, Alan Burlison wrote: Alan Burlison wrote: OK, here's a first stab, not currently linked to from anywhere else on the site. http://www.opensolaris.org/os/newbies/ Updated with Brian's list of links. Is it ok to mention this on blogs yet, or should I/we/...

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk

2007-08-15 Thread Stephen Lau
Sean Sprague wrote: James, Alan Burlison wrote: Alan Burlison wrote: OK, here's a first stab, not currently linked to from anywhere else on the site. http://www.opensolaris.org/os/newbies/ Updated with Brian's list of links. Is it ok to mention this on blogs yet, or should I/we/...

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk

2007-08-15 Thread Sean Sprague
Alan, Sean Sprague wrote: James, Alan Burlison wrote: Alan Burlison wrote: OK, here's a first stab, not currently linked to from anywhere else on the site. http://www.opensolaris.org/os/newbies/ Updated with Brian's list of links. Is it ok to mention this on blogs yet, or should

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk

2007-08-15 Thread Brandorr
I forgot a few appropriate lists:: Usenet Solaris forum: - http://groups.google.com/group/comp.unix.solaris/topics Sun Managers for people who manage Sun Workstations and Servers: - http://www.sunmanagers.org/ Solaris-Users mailing list is part of the Solaris Users Group in Plovdiv, Bulgaria.

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk

2007-08-15 Thread Alan Burlison
James C. McPherson wrote: Is it ok to mention this on blogs yet, or should I/we/... wait until it's solidified a bit more? I'm gonna add links to it in some places that people have suggested, but as it's pretty late here that won't be today. Once I'm done I'll send mail to os-discuss,

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk

2007-08-15 Thread Ignacio Marambio Catán
people tend to subscribe to the mailing list that is the most visible and close to what they need, the most visible list at osol.org is osol-discuss. that is why people ask there instead of osol-help. i think people asking things about solaris 10 here is a problem but i actually expected that. i

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk

2007-08-15 Thread Alan Burlison
Sean Sprague wrote: OGB official signoff, and proper integration into the site I guess... Or is the former bureaucracy-heavy? I'm just going to go ahead and do it, unless persuaded otherwise ;-) -- Alan Burlison -- ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk

2007-08-15 Thread Alan Burlison
Sean Sprague wrote: Agreed, of course; but if this change becomes fundamental to how people approach/adopt OpenSolaris, then it might at least be a bit friendly to at least have a one-liner on the page to tell potential adopters that they should read the Terms of Use carefully. Dunno. It

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk

2007-08-15 Thread Alan Burlison
Garrett D'Amore wrote: Btw, on the topic of this page, newbies might not be the best name for this page. newbie or NOOB is often perceived as a derogatory term... I don't want us to be perceived as elitest... I don't personally feel it is derogatory, but please feel free to suggest a PC

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk

2007-08-15 Thread Glynn Foster
Ignacio Marambio Catán wrote: people tend to subscribe to the mailing list that is the most visible and close to what they need, the most visible list at osol.org is osol-discuss. that is why people ask there instead of osol-help. opensolaris-discuss also has 3 times the membership of

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk

2007-08-15 Thread Alan Burlison
Ignacio Marambio Catán wrote: people tend to subscribe to the mailing list that is the most visible and close to what they need, the most visible list at osol.org is osol-discuss. that is why people ask there instead of osol-help. i think people asking things about solaris 10 here is a

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk

2007-08-15 Thread Sean Sprague
Alan, Garrett D'Amore wrote: Btw, on the topic of this page, newbies might not be the best name for this page. newbie or NOOB is often perceived as a derogatory term... I don't want us to be perceived as elitest... I don't personally feel it is derogatory, but please feel free to