Re: [osol-discuss] I don't get it....

2008-05-22 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Kapil Aggarwal wrote: Is it just me, or is this something that no one wants to say out aloud? This is an ENTERPRISE level operating system from SUN, one of the big dogs! And yet, even an initial install seems to be a nightmare. The installer interface looks like it was designed in the 70s,

Re: [osol-discuss] I don't get it....

2008-05-22 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Kapil Aggarwal wrote: Well...I guess a lot has changed in the last 10 years. Video cards are as cheap as a cable now. And a GUI doesn't necassarily have to be tied to video, it can be a web console. But I digress. My point is that in TODAY's world, I'm flabbergasted as to why would you

[osol-discuss] I don't get it....

2008-05-21 Thread Kapil Aggarwal
Is it just me, or is this something that no one wants to say out aloud? This is an ENTERPRISE level operating system from SUN, one of the big dogs! And yet, even an initial install seems to be a nightmare. The installer interface looks like it was designed in the 70s, it can't find half the

Re: [osol-discuss] I don't get it....

2008-05-21 Thread MC
While I'm all for fast, stable operating systems, this is 2008, there should be no excuse for not having even basic GUI interfaces for your installed hardware, drivers, versions, etc. Can SUN not even do that? I'm amazed. Basically the answer to your question is yes, they can not do that

Re: [osol-discuss] I don't get it....

2008-05-21 Thread Wolfgang Stief
On Wed, 21 May 2008 08:10:17 PDT Kapil Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I'm all for fast, stable operating systems, this is 2008, there should be no excuse for not having even basic GUI interfaces for your installed hardware, drivers, versions, etc. Well... 99% of the Sun systems I

Re: [osol-discuss] I don't get it....

2008-05-21 Thread Javier Augusto
[..] Well... 99% of the Sun systems I installed in enterprises during the last 10 years (300++ systems) came without a graphics card. It really helps in those cases, to have a command line interface. Yeah, I know what you mean, but OpenSolaris _nowadays_ is being pushed as a

Re: [osol-discuss] I don't get it....

2008-05-21 Thread Chris Linton-Ford
On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 08:33 -0700, MC wrote: While I'm all for fast, stable operating systems, this is 2008, there should be no excuse for not having even basic GUI interfaces for your installed hardware, drivers, versions, etc. Can SUN not even do that? I'm amazed. Basically the

Re: [osol-discuss] I don't get it....

2008-05-21 Thread Ghee Teo
Javier Augusto wrote: [..] Well... 99% of the Sun systems I installed in enterprises during the last 10 years (300++ systems) came without a graphics card. It really helps in those cases, to have a command line interface. Yeah, I know what you mean, but OpenSolaris _nowadays_ is

Re: [osol-discuss] I don't get it....

2008-05-21 Thread Kapil Aggarwal
While I'm all for fast, stable operating systems, this is 2008, there should be no excuse for not having even basic GUI interfaces for your installed hardware, drivers, versions, etc. Can SUN not even do that? I'm amazed. Basically the answer to your question is yes, they can not do

Re: [osol-discuss] I don't get it....

2008-05-21 Thread Claus Guttesen
Is it just me, or is this something that no one wants to say out aloud? This is an ENTERPRISE level operating system from SUN, one of the big dogs! And yet, even an initial install seems to be a nightmare. The installer interface looks like it was designed in the 70s, it can't find half the

Re: [osol-discuss] I don't get it....

2008-05-21 Thread Kapil Aggarwal
Well...I guess a lot has changed in the last 10 years. Video cards are as cheap as a cable now. And a GUI doesn't necassarily have to be tied to video, it can be a web console. But I digress. My point is that in TODAY's world, I'm flabbergasted as to why would you have a new release of an O/S

Re: [osol-discuss] I don't get it....

2008-05-21 Thread Claus Guttesen
Should I read that as Sun doesn't really want to make Solaris a mainstream O/S? Because if they really are (Why else would OpenSolaris exist?) I don't get the whole who cares about GUI, it's all int he command line! concept. Command lines though useful in doing batch processing and clumping

Re: [osol-discuss] I don't get it....

2008-05-21 Thread MC
Should I read that as Sun doesn't really want to make Solaris a mainstream O/S? No, you should read that as Microsoft has 20x the market value of Sun, and that is reflected in how much product development Sun can do, and how fast they can do it... This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] I don't get it....

2008-05-21 Thread Orvar Korvar
But SUN is working on the install. In OpenSolaris the install has been changed. It is coming. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] I don't get it....

2008-05-21 Thread Fredrich Maney
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Kapil Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [deletia] I don't get the whole who cares about GUI, it's all int he command line! concept. Command lines though useful in doing batch processing and clumping together multiple things in a script, are a thing of the

Re: [osol-discuss] I don't get it....

2008-05-21 Thread Calum Benson
On 21 May 2008, at 17:27, Kapil Aggarwal wrote: But I digress. My point is that in TODAY's world, I'm flabbergasted as to why would you have a new release of an O/S (Opensolaris 2008.05..with a lot of fanfare) which has such abysmal support for hardware/video/keyboard/network/storage

Re: [osol-discuss] I don't get it....

2008-05-21 Thread Brad Vaughan
OpenSolaris 2008.05 is a version 1.0 build from a community project. You will see it develop very quickly because of the source commonality, but its still V1.0. Kapil: You are jumping around on target markets from mainstream enterprise to consumer desktops. These things have very different

Re: [osol-discuss] I don't get it....

2008-05-21 Thread Ron Halstead
I love a good GUI. Web browsing looks better than lynx, and I can open up multiple xterms and work on multiple command lines at the same time. The only GUI tool I use is printmgr because lpadmin syntax sucks. I've been a SysAdmin since before the GUI and really would not miss it if it went

Re: [osol-discuss] I don't get it....

2008-05-21 Thread Rallavagu
Kapil Aggarwal wrote: Well...I guess a lot has changed in the last 10 years. Video cards are as cheap as a cable now. And a GUI doesn't necassarily have to be tied to video, it can be a web console. But I digress. My point is that in TODAY's world, I'm flabbergasted as to why would you

Re: [osol-discuss] I don't get it....

2008-05-21 Thread Kapil Aggarwal
Been following Solaris for the better part of two decades. Did casual stuff with it off and on, nothing hardcore. Which should answer the how long have you been using computers. GUI is nice but not necessary for many computer tasks. Sure. It aint necassary for many tasks, but it certainly makes

Re: [osol-discuss] I don't get it....

2008-05-21 Thread Rallavagu
Kapil Aggarwal wrote: Been following Solaris for the better part of two decades. Did casual stuff with it off and on, nothing hardcore. Which should answer the how long have you been using computers. GUI is nice but not necessary for many computer tasks. Sure. It aint necassary for many

Re: [osol-discuss] I don't get it....

2008-05-21 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Is it just me, or is this something that no one wants to say out aloud? This is an ENTERPRISE level operating system from SUN, one of the big dogs! And yet, even an initial install seems to be a nightmare. The installer interface looks like it was designed in the 70s, it can't find half