Re: [Openstack] [OpenStack Foundation] Foundation Structure: An Alternative

2012-03-12 Thread Thierry Carrez
Boris Renski Jr. wrote: While I like the simplicity and elegance of the newly proposed structure, I don’t see how it does away with the evils of the pay-to-play model…. Which is what you purport we are striving to achieve. What you, Josh, proposed is a simplified pay-to-play that arguably

Re: [Openstack] [OpenStack Foundation] Foundation Structure: An Alternative

2012-03-12 Thread Sean Roberts
How about as many companies that want to contribute annually $100K to running the foundation separate from marketing and sponsorship, can do so. Each company or a self-affiliated block of companies can put forward their board candidate. The companies that contributed to the board can then vote

Re: [Openstack] [OpenStack Foundation] Foundation Structure: An Alternative

2012-03-12 Thread Joshua McKenty
In much the same way we’re struggling with creating a reasonably sized board that’s a fair representation of both the diversity of the (producer and consumer) community, and the investments of its sponsors, it feels like we’re also struggling to identify the key stakeholders in actually forming

Re: [Openstack] [OpenStack Foundation] Foundation Structure: An Alternative

2012-03-11 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Fri, 2012-03-09 at 14:50 -0800, Boris Renski Jr. wrote: In my view the price tag for the sponsorship and the ultimate means for raising the money is not what drives OpenStack’s vendor independence principles. What matters the most is the degree of decoupling between the front-end,

Re: [Openstack] [OpenStack Foundation] Foundation Structure: An Alternative

2012-03-10 Thread Sean Roberts
We will make ourselves available. I am offering up a Yahoo meeting space in SF, Santa Clara, or Sunnyvale. Teleconference may be available on short notice. ~sean On Mar 9, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Joshua McKenty jos...@pistoncloud.commailto:jos...@pistoncloud.com wrote: This is great! Jonathan, do

Re: [Openstack] [OpenStack Foundation] Foundation Structure: An Alternative

2012-03-10 Thread Lloyd Dewolf
Having more than 5 companies pony up big dollars *is* a great problem to have. I didn't mean to suggest the solution stays the same. We need to plan for this scenario as there is a real chance of more participants than what has been negotiated in the back rooms. Of course, everyone wants the

Re: [Openstack] [OpenStack Foundation] Foundation Structure: An Alternative

2012-03-09 Thread Robbie Williamson
On 03/09/2012 02:38 PM, Joshua McKenty wrote: I don't believe ANY open source project has ever had this much commercial involvement, and certainly not this early in its evolution. I suspect Linus might disagree with the first part. -- Robbie Williamson rob...@ubuntu.com

Re: [Openstack] [OpenStack Foundation] Foundation Structure: An Alternative

2012-03-09 Thread Joshua McKenty
Really? Linux was postcard-ware for the first... what, two years? -- Joshua McKenty, CEO Piston Cloud Computing, Inc. w: (650) 24-CLOUD m: (650) 283-6846 http://www.pistoncloud.com Oh, Westley, we'll never survive! Nonsense. You're only saying that because no one ever has. On Friday, March 9,

Re: [Openstack] [OpenStack Foundation] Foundation Structure: An Alternative

2012-03-09 Thread Jonathan Bryce
On Friday, March 9, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Thor Wolpert wrote: I thought a Foundation that paid for legal, marketing and core services; along with a hosted set of projects whose membership was based upon meritocracy was the model. That is and always has been the plan and can be seen in the

Re: [Openstack] [OpenStack Foundation] Foundation Structure: An Alternative

2012-03-09 Thread Boris Renski Jr.
] Foundation Structure: An Alternative I'll be the first to admit that I'm not a diplomatic person. When we were launching OpenStack, this was a bit of an advantage (if we had waited for permission before releasing the Nova source code, we'd still be waiting) - but since the first summit

Re: [Openstack] [OpenStack Foundation] Foundation Structure: An Alternative

2012-03-09 Thread Ben Cherian
openstack@lists.launchpad.net, foundat...@lists.openstack.org Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] Foundation Structure: An Alternative I'll be the first to admit that I'm not a diplomatic person. When we were launching OpenStack, this was a bit of an advantage (if we had waited for permission before

Re: [Openstack] [OpenStack Foundation] Foundation Structure: An Alternative

2012-03-09 Thread Devin Carlen
(mailto:foundat...@lists.openstack.org) Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] Foundation Structure: An Alternative I'll be the first to admit that I'm not a diplomatic person. When we were launching OpenStack, this was a bit of an advantage (if we had waited for permission before releasing

Re: [Openstack] [OpenStack Foundation] Foundation Structure: An Alternative

2012-03-09 Thread Joshua McKenty
This is great! Jonathan, do you think a completely-elected board is something that the larger corporations would go along with? Ben's suggestion to that effect certainly seems to be the simplest model, since we can scale the membership, deliver specific value for cash contributions, and

Re: [Openstack] [OpenStack Foundation] Foundation Structure: An Alternative

2012-03-09 Thread Boris Renski Jr.
: [OpenStack Foundation] Foundation Structure: An Alternative This is great! Jonathan, do you think a completely-elected board is something that the larger corporations would go along with? Ben's suggestion to that effect certainly seems to be the simplest model, since we can scale