Re: [openstack-dev] [Marconi] Why is marconi a queue implementation vs a provisioning API?

2014-03-20 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2014-03-20 at 01:28 +, Joshua Harlow wrote: Proxying from yahoo's open source director (since he wasn't initially subscribed to this list, afaik he now is) on his behalf. From Gil Yehuda (Yahoo’s Open Source director). I would urge you to avoid creating a dependency between

Re: [openstack-dev] [Marconi] Why is marconi a queue implementation vs a provisioning API?

2014-03-20 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Wed, 2014-03-19 at 12:37 -0700, Devananda van der Veen wrote: Let me start by saying that I want there to be a constructive discussion around all this. I've done my best to keep my tone as non-snarky as I could while still clearly stating my concerns. I've also spent a few hours reviewing

Re: [openstack-dev] [legal-discuss] [Marconi] Why is marconi a queue implementation vs a provisioning API?

2014-03-20 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2014-03-20 at 12:07 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: Monty Taylor wrote: On 03/20/2014 01:30 AM, Radcliffe, Mark wrote: The problem with AGPL is that the scope is very uncertain and the determination of the consequences are very fact intensive. I was the chair of the User Committee

Re: [openstack-dev] [Marconi] Why is marconi a queue implementation vs a provisioning API?

2014-03-19 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Wed, 2014-03-19 at 10:17 +1300, Robert Collins wrote: So this came up briefly at the tripleo sprint, and since I can't seem to find a /why/ document (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/Incubation#Raised_Questions_.2B_Answers and https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi#Design don't

Re: [openstack-dev] supported dependency versioning and testing

2014-02-21 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2014-02-20 at 10:31 -0800, Joe Gordon wrote: Hi All, I discussion recently came up inside of nova about what it means supported version for a dependency means. in libvirt we gate on the minimal version that we support but for all python dependencies we gate on the highest version

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-docs] Conventions on naming

2014-02-05 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Wed, 2014-02-05 at 11:52 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: Steve Gordon wrote: From: Anne Gentle anne.gen...@rackspace.com Based on today's Technical Committee meeting and conversations with the OpenStack board members, I need to change our Conventions for service names at

Re: [openstack-dev] [PTL] Designating required use upstream code

2014-02-05 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Wed, 2014-02-05 at 17:22 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: (This email is mostly directed to PTLs for programs that include one integrated project) The DefCore subcommittee from the OpenStack board of directors asked the Technical Committee yesterday about which code sections in each

Re: [openstack-dev] why do we put a license in every file?

2014-02-05 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Wed, 2014-02-05 at 16:29 +, Greg Hill wrote: I'm new, so I'm sure there's some history I'm missing, but I find it bizarre that we have to put the same license into every single file of source code in our projects. In my past experience, a single LICENSE file at the root-level of the

Re: [openstack-dev] pep8 gating fails due to tools/config/check_uptodate.sh

2014-02-04 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2014-01-13 at 16:49 +, Sahid Ferdjaoui wrote: Hello all, It looks 100% of the pep8 gate for nova is failing because of a bug reported, we probably need to mark this as Critical. https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1268614 Ivan Melnikov has pushed a patchset waiting for

Re: [openstack-dev] pep8 gating fails due to tools/config/check_uptodate.sh

2014-02-04 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Wed, 2014-02-05 at 01:19 +0900, Sean Dague wrote: On 02/05/2014 12:37 AM, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Mon, 2014-01-13 at 16:49 +, Sahid Ferdjaoui wrote: Hello all, It looks 100% of the pep8 gate for nova is failing because of a bug reported, we probably need to mark

Re: [openstack-dev] Less option (was: [oslo.config] Centralized config management)

2014-01-10 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2014-01-09 at 16:34 -0800, Joe Gordon wrote: On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-09 at 23:56 +0100, Julien Danjou wrote: On Thu, Jan 09 2014, Jay Pipes wrote: Hope you don't mind, I'll jump in here :) On Thu, 2014-01-09

Re: [openstack-dev] [governance] Becoming a Program, before applying for incubation

2013-12-17 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 11:25 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: Mark McLoughlin wrote: I'm not totally convinced we need such formality around the TC expressing its support for an early-stage program/project/effort/team. This is a difficult balance. You want to help a number of projects

Re: [openstack-dev] [governance] Becoming a Program, before applying for incubation

2013-12-17 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 13:44 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: Mark McLoughlin wrote: How about if we had an emerging projects page where the TC feedback on each project would be listed? That would give visibility to our feedback, without making it a yes/no blessing. Ok, whether to list any

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo][glance] Oslo.cfg resets not really resetting the CONF

2013-12-16 Thread Mark McLoughlin
a bug on the oslo end. Yes, that's working as designed. Those two options are registered by __call__() so reset() unregisters only them. The idea is that you can register lots and then do __call__() and reset() without affecting the registered options. Mark. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 5:27 AM, Mark

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Tuskar CLI after architecture changes

2013-12-12 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Wed, 2013-12-11 at 13:33 +0100, Jiří Stránský wrote: Hi all, TL;DR: I believe that As an infrastructure administrator, Anna wants a CLI for managing the deployment providing the same fundamental features as UI. With the planned architecture changes (making tuskar-api thinner and

Re: [openstack-dev] TransportURL and virtualhost/exchnage (was Re: [Oslo] Layering olso.messaging usage of config)

2013-12-09 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hi Gordon, On Fri, 2013-12-06 at 18:36 +, Gordon Sim wrote: On 11/18/2013 04:44 PM, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Mon, 2013-11-18 at 11:29 -0500, Doug Hellmann wrote: IIRC, one of the concerns when oslo.messaging was split out was maintaining support for existing deployments

Re: [openstack-dev] [olso] [cinder] upgrade issues in lock_path in cinder after oslo utils sync

2013-12-09 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 11:11 -0600, Ben Nemec wrote: On 2013-12-09 10:55, Sean Dague wrote: On 12/09/2013 11:38 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2013-12-09 08:17:45 -0800: On 12/06/2013 05:40 PM, Ben Nemec wrote: On 2013-12-06 16:30, Clint Byrum wrote:

Re: [openstack-dev] Retiring reverify no bug

2013-12-09 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 10:49 -0800, James E. Blair wrote: Hi, On Wednesday December 11, 2013 we will remove the ability to use reverify no bug to re-trigger gate runs for changes that have failed tests. This was previously discussed[1] on this list. There are a few key things to keep in

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][TripleO] Nested resources

2013-12-09 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Tue, 2013-12-10 at 09:40 +1300, Robert Collins wrote: On 6 December 2013 14:11, Fox, Kevin M kevin@pnnl.gov wrote: I think the security issue can be handled by not actually giving the underlying resource to the user in the first place. So, for example, if I wanted a bare metal

Re: [openstack-dev] [Oslo] First steps towards amqp 1.0

2013-12-09 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 16:05 +0100, Flavio Percoco wrote: Greetings, As $subject mentions, I'd like to start discussing the support for AMQP 1.0[0] in oslo.messaging. We already have rabbit and qpid drivers for earlier (and different!) versions of AMQP, the proposal would be to add an

Re: [openstack-dev] [Tripleo] Core reviewer update Dec

2013-12-09 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Tue, 2013-12-10 at 13:31 +1300, Robert Collins wrote: We have a bit of a bug in OpenStack today, IMO, in that there is more focus on being -core than on being a good effective reviewer. IMO that's backwards: the magic switch that lets you set +2 and -2 is a responsibility, and that has

Re: [openstack-dev] [Oslo] Layering olso.messaging usage of config

2013-12-06 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hi Julien, On Mon, 2013-12-02 at 16:45 +0100, Julien Danjou wrote: On Mon, Nov 18 2013, Julien Danjou wrote: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/messaging-decouple-cfg So I've gone through the code and started to write a plan on how I'd do things:

Re: [openstack-dev] [Oslo] Layering olso.messaging usage of config

2013-12-06 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Fri, 2013-12-06 at 15:41 +0100, Julien Danjou wrote: On Fri, Dec 06 2013, Mark McLoughlin wrote: Hi Mark, If the goal is allow applications to use oslo.messaging without using oslo.config, then what's driving this? I'm guessing some possible answers: 5) But I want to avoid any

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo] maintenance policy for code graduating from the incubator

2013-12-05 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2013-12-02 at 11:00 -0500, Doug Hellmann wrote: I have updated the Oslo wiki page with these details and would appreciate feedback on the wording used there. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#Graduation Thanks Doug, that sounds perfect to me. Mark.

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][TripleO] Nested resources

2013-12-05 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hi Kevin, On Mon, 2013-12-02 at 12:39 -0800, Fox, Kevin M wrote: Hi all, I just want to run a crazy idea up the flag pole. TripleO has the concept of an under and over cloud. In starting to experiment with Docker, I see a pattern start to emerge. * As a User, I may want to allocate a

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack-tc] Incubation Request for Barbican

2013-12-05 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2013-12-05 at 23:37 +, Douglas Mendizabal wrote: I agree that this is concerning. And that what's concerning isn't so much that the project did something different, but rather that choice was apparently made because the project thought it was perfectly fine for them to ignore

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack-tc] [barbican] Curious about oslo.messaging (from Incubation Request for Barbican)

2013-12-04 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Wed, 2013-12-04 at 05:01 +, John Wood wrote: Hello folks, I was curious if there is an OpenStack project that would be a good example to follow as we convert Barbican over to oslo messaging. I've been examining existing OpenStack projects such as Ceilometer and Keystone to see how

Re: [openstack-dev] When should things get added to Oslo.Incubator

2013-12-03 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 22:07 +, Joshua Harlow wrote: Process for process sake imho has been a problem for oslo. It's been reiterated many times, but again - the only purpose of oslo-incubator is as a place to evolve an API until we're ready to make a commitment to API stability. It's often

Re: [openstack-dev] When should things get added to Oslo.Incubator

2013-12-03 Thread Mark McLoughlin
. On 12/3/13 2:25 PM, Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 22:07 +, Joshua Harlow wrote: Process for process sake imho has been a problem for oslo. It's been reiterated many times, but again - the only purpose of oslo-incubator is as a place to evolve an API

Re: [openstack-dev] When should things get added to Oslo.Incubator

2013-12-03 Thread Mark McLoughlin
to commit to API stability. Mark. On 12/3/13 2:25 PM, Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 22:07 +, Joshua Harlow wrote: Process for process sake imho has been a problem for oslo. It's been reiterated many times, but again - the only purpose

Re: [openstack-dev] [Olso][DB] Remove eventlet from oslo.db

2013-12-03 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2013-12-02 at 16:02 +0200, Victor Sergeyev wrote: Hi folks! At the moment I and Roman Podoliaka are working on splitting of openstack.common.db code into a separate library. And it would be nice to drop dependency on eventlet before oslo.db is released. Currently, there is only

Re: [openstack-dev] [Keystone][Oslo] Future of Key Distribution Server, Trusted Messaging

2013-11-29 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hey Anyone got an update on this? The keystone blueprint for KDS was marked approved on Tuesday: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/key-distribution-server and a new keystone review was added on Sunday, but it must be a draft since I can't access it:

Re: [openstack-dev] [Oslo] Improving oslo-incubator update.py

2013-11-27 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Wed, 2013-11-27 at 11:50 +0100, Flavio Percoco wrote: On 26/11/13 22:54 +, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Fri, 2013-11-22 at 12:39 -0500, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Flavio Percoco fla...@redhat.com wrote: 1) Store the commit sha from which the module

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo] rpc concurrency control rfc

2013-11-27 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hi, On Wed, 2013-11-27 at 14:45 +, Edward Hope-Morley wrote: Moving this to the ml as requested, would appreciate comments/thoughts/feedback. Thanks, I too would appreciate input from others. So, I recently proposed a small patch to the oslo rpc code (initially in oslo-incubator then

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Summit session wrapup

2013-11-27 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hi Jarda, On Wed, 2013-11-27 at 14:39 +0100, Jaromir Coufal wrote: I think here is the main point where I disagree and which leads to different approaches. I don't think, that user of TripleO cares *only* about deploying infrastructure without any knowledge where the things go. This is

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Proposal to re-add Dan Prince to nova-core

2013-11-26 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Tue, 2013-11-26 at 14:32 -0500, Russell Bryant wrote: Greetings, I would like to propose that we re-add Dan Prince to the nova-core review team. Dan Prince has been involved with Nova since early in OpenStack's history (Bexar timeframe). He was a member of the nova-core review team

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] [QA] Triaging Bugs during Review

2013-11-26 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Tue, 2013-11-26 at 13:06 -0800, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: Hi Everyone, I tend to follow merges and look for valuable havana backports. A few bug fixes have merged recently where the associated bug is untriaged (i.e. the severity is listed as 'Unknown'). I assume that reviewers of a bugfix

Re: [openstack-dev] [all project] Treating recently seen recheck bugs as critical across the board

2013-11-26 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Tue, 2013-11-26 at 12:29 -0800, Joe Gordon wrote: On Nov 26, 2013 8:48 AM, Dolph Mathews dolph.math...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 5:23 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Dolph Mathews wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Robert Collins

Re: [openstack-dev] [Oslo] Improving oslo-incubator update.py

2013-11-26 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Fri, 2013-11-22 at 12:39 -0500, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Flavio Percoco fla...@redhat.com wrote: Greetings, Based on the recent discussion that came out about not having enough information in the commit message when syncing oslo-incubator modules, I was

Re: [openstack-dev] [Oslo] Improving oslo-incubator update.py

2013-11-26 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Fri, 2013-11-22 at 16:24 +, Duncan Thomas wrote: On 22 November 2013 14:59, Ben Nemec openst...@nemebean.com wrote: One other thought I had was to add the ability to split one Oslo sync up into multiple commits, either one per module, or even one per Oslo commit for some really

Re: [openstack-dev] How to best make User Experience a priority in every project

2013-11-26 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Wed, 2013-11-20 at 11:06 -0600, Dean Troyer wrote: On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.orgwrote: However, as was apparent in the Technical Committee meeting discussion about it yesterday, most of us are not convinced that establishing and blessing a

Re: [openstack-dev] [Keystone][Oslo] Future of Key Distribution Server, Trusted Messaging

2013-11-22 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Fri, 2013-11-22 at 11:04 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: Russell Bryant wrote: [...] I'm not thrilled about the prospect of this going into a new project for multiple reasons. - Given the priority and how long this has been dragging out, having to wait for a new project to make its

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Proposal to add Matt Riedemann to nova-core

2013-11-22 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Fri, 2013-11-22 at 15:53 -0500, Russell Bryant wrote: Greetings, I would like to propose adding Matt Riedemann to the nova-core review team. Matt has been involved with nova for a long time, taking on a wide range of tasks. He writes good code. He's very engaged with the development

Re: [openstack-dev] Propose project story wiki idea

2013-11-21 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2013-11-21 at 10:43 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: Stefano Maffulli wrote: On 11/19/2013 09:33 PM, Boris Pavlovic wrote: The idea of this proposal is that every OpenStack project should have story wiki page. It means to publish every week one short message that contains most

Re: [openstack-dev] [Oslo] Layering olso.messaging usage of config

2013-11-18 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hi Julien, On Mon, 2013-11-18 at 11:05 +0100, Julien Danjou wrote: Hi Oslo developers, It seems my latest patch¹ on oslo.messaging scared Mark, so I'll try to discuss it a bit on this mailing list as it is more convenient. Scared, heh :) I've created a blueprint² as requested by Mark.

Re: [openstack-dev] [Oslo] Layering olso.messaging usage of config

2013-11-18 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2013-11-18 at 17:37 +0100, Julien Danjou wrote: On Mon, Nov 18 2013, Mark McLoughlin wrote: I'm struggling to care about this until I have some insight into why it's important. And it's a bit frustrating to have to guess the rationale for this. Like commit messages, blueprints

Re: [openstack-dev] [Oslo] Layering olso.messaging usage of config

2013-11-18 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hey Doug, On Mon, 2013-11-18 at 11:29 -0500, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 5:05 AM, Julien Danjou jul...@danjou.info wrote: Hi Oslo developers, It seems my latest patch¹ on oslo.messaging scared Mark, so I'll try to discuss it a bit on this mailing list as it is more

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][db] Changing migrations

2013-11-18 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2013-11-18 at 18:46 +0100, Nikola Đipanov wrote: Dear OpenStack devs, A recent review [1] dragged into spotlight how damaging improper use of external code inside migrations can be. Basically in my mind the incident raises 2 issues that I think we should look into: 1) How can

Re: [openstack-dev] [Cinder][Glance] OSLO update

2013-11-18 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2013-11-18 at 17:24 +, Duncan Thomas wrote: Random OSLO updates with no list of what changed, what got fixed etc are unlikely to get review attention - doing such a review is extremely difficult. I was -2ing them and asking for more info, but they keep popping up. I'm really not

Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation request for Manila

2013-11-18 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hi, On Thu, 2013-10-10 at 15:00 +, Swartzlander, Ben wrote: Please consider our formal request for incubation status of the Manila project: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila_Overview Note that the Manila application was discussed at last week's TC meeting. I tried to take some

Re: [Openstack] [Foundation Board] Resolutions from the Technical Committee

2013-11-18 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2013-11-18 at 07:40 +, Radcliffe, Mark wrote: We need to distinguish between (1) adding the modules to the Core OpenStack Project which requires a recommendation by the TC and approval by the Board and (2) adding the modules to an integrated release (including Core OpenStack

Re: [Openstack] [Foundation Board] Resolutions from the Technical Committee

2013-11-18 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Fri, 2013-11-15 at 09:53 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: Stefano Maffulli wrote: On 11/14/2013 09:56 AM, Boris Renski wrote: If per bylaws any integrated project can called itself OpenStack Blah then we return to the question of current difference between integrated and core. It seems

Re: [Openstack] [Foundation Board] Resolutions from the Technical Committee

2013-11-18 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2013-11-14 at 23:06 -0600, Jonathan Bryce wrote: The current difference in implementation is that to be part of the Core OpenStack Project, a module must receive Board approval to be in that set. Another intended difference is that the Core OpenStack Project definition would be used as

Re: [Openstack] [Foundation Board] Resolutions from the Technical Committee

2013-11-17 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hi Mark, On Thu, 2013-11-14 at 07:58 -0600, m...@openstack.org wrote: Yes. Also, there are two trademark concepts being mixed here. 1) *Can* the projects themselves use the word OpenStack such as OpenStack Orchestration? Answer: yes absolutely. This is already a done deal and we are

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] New API requirements, review of GCE

2013-11-15 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Fri, 2013-11-15 at 11:28 -0500, Russell Bryant wrote: Greetings, We've talked a lot about requirements for new compute drivers [1]. I think the same sort of standards shold be applied for a new third-party API, such as the GCE API [2]. Before we can consider taking on a new API, it

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] New API requirements, review of GCE

2013-11-15 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Fri, 2013-11-15 at 12:19 -0500, Russell Bryant wrote: On 11/15/2013 12:01 PM, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Fri, 2013-11-15 at 11:28 -0500, Russell Bryant wrote: Greetings, We've talked a lot about requirements for new compute drivers [1]. I think the same sort of standards shold

Re: [openstack-dev] [RFC] Straw man to start the incubation / graduation requirements discussion

2013-11-15 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 06:57 -0500, Sean Dague wrote: (Apologies, this started on the TC list, and really should have started on -dev, correctly posting here now for open discussion) There were a few chats at summit about this, mostly on the infra / devstack / qa side of the house. Consider

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

2013-11-15 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Fri, 2013-11-15 at 12:47 -0500, Anita Kuno wrote: On 11/15/2013 12:34 PM, Russell Bryant wrote: On 11/15/2013 12:16 PM, Kyle Mestery (kmestery) wrote: On Nov 15, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Dan Smith d...@danplanet.com wrote: Thanks for weighing in, I do hope to keep the conversation going. Add

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack-tc] Proposal to recognize indirect contributions to our code base

2013-11-11 Thread Mark McLoughlin
to track more complex affiliations. Our affiliation databases are all keyed off email addresses right now, so how about if we allowed for encoding affiliation/sponsorship in addresses? e.g. Author: Mark McLoughlin markmc+...@redhat.com and we could register that address as work done by Mark on behalf

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack-tc] Proposal to recognize indirect contributions to our code base

2013-11-11 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2013-11-11 at 11:41 -0500, Russell Bryant wrote: On 11/11/2013 10:57 AM, Mark McLoughlin wrote: Hi Nick, On Mon, 2013-11-11 at 15:20 +0100, Nicolas Barcet wrote: Dear TC members, Our companies are actively encouraging our respective customers to have the patches

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-11 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Fri, 2013-11-08 at 09:32 +1300, Robert Collins wrote: On 7 November 2013 13:15, Day, Phil philip@hp.com wrote: Core reviewers look for the /comments/ from people, not just the votes. A +1 from someone that isn't core is meaningless unless they are known to be a thoughtful

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-11 Thread Mark McLoughlin
/able to set up such filtering.) I know you're discounting filtering here, but FWIW I filter on the email body containing: Gerrit-Reviewer: Mark McLoughlin so that I have all email related to reviews I'm subscribed to in a single folder. I try hard to stay on top of this folder to avoid being

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Configuration validation

2013-11-11 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hi Nikola, On Mon, 2013-11-11 at 12:44 +0100, Nikola Đipanov wrote: Hey all, During the summit session on the the VMWare driver roadmap, a topic of validating the passed configuration prior to starting services came up (see [1] for more detail on how it's connected to that specific topic).

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Do we have some guidelines for mock, stub, mox when writing unit test?

2013-11-11 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2013-11-11 at 12:07 +, John Garbutt wrote: On 11 November 2013 10:27, Rosa, Andrea (HP Cloud Services) andrea.r...@hp.com wrote: Hi Generally mock is supposed to be used over mox now for python 3 support. That is my understanding too +1 But I don't think we should

Re: [openstack-dev] When is it okay for submitters to say 'I don't want to add tests' ?

2013-10-31 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2013-10-31 at 15:37 +1300, Robert Collins wrote: This is a bit of a social norms thread I've been consistently asking for tests in reviews for a while now, and I get the occasional push-back. I think this falls into a few broad camps: A - there is no test suite at all, adding

Re: [openstack-dev] welcoming new committers (was Re: When is it okay for submitters to say 'I don't want to add tests' ?)

2013-10-31 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2013-10-31 at 11:49 -0700, Stefano Maffulli wrote: Another idea that Tom suggested is to use gerrit automation to send back to first time committers something in addition to the normal 'your patch is waiting for review' message. The message could be something like: thank you for

Re: [openstack-dev] RFC: Filtering boring commit subjects from ChangeLog

2013-10-28 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Sun, 2013-10-27 at 21:50 -0400, Monty Taylor wrote: Hey all! We're adding a little bit of code to pbr to make the auto-generated ChangeLog files a bit more useful. Currently, they are just the git changelog, which is kinda useless. So we wrote this:

Re: [openstack-dev] Call for a clear COPYRIGHT-HOLDERS file in all OpenStack projects (and [trove] python-troveclient_0.1.4-1_amd64.changes REJECTED)

2013-10-22 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Tue, 2013-10-22 at 14:09 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 10/22/2013 04:55 AM, Mark McLoughlin wrote: Talk to the Trove developers and politely ask them whether the copyright notices in their code reflects what they see as the reality. I'm sure it would help them if you pointed out

Re: [openstack-dev] Call for a clear COPYRIGHT-HOLDERS file in all OpenStack projects (and [trove] python-troveclient_0.1.4-1_amd64.changes REJECTED)

2013-10-22 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Tue, 2013-10-22 at 14:19 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 10/22/2013 04:48 AM, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Tue, 2013-10-22 at 01:55 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 10/21/2013 09:28 PM, Mark McLoughlin wrote: In other words, what exactly is a list of copyright holders good for? At least

Re: [openstack-dev] Call for a clear COPYRIGHT-HOLDERS file in all OpenStack projects (and [trove] python-troveclient_0.1.4-1_amd64.changes REJECTED)

2013-10-21 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 10:28 -0700, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Robert Collins's message of 2013-10-20 02:25:43 -0700: On 20 October 2013 02:35, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: However, even as a strong supporter of accurate license headers, I would like to know more about

Re: [openstack-dev] Call for a clear COPYRIGHT-HOLDERS file in all OpenStack projects (and [trove] python-troveclient_0.1.4-1_amd64.changes REJECTED)

2013-10-21 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Tue, 2013-10-22 at 01:55 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 10/21/2013 09:28 PM, Mark McLoughlin wrote: In other words, what exactly is a list of copyright holders good for? At least avoid pain and reject when uploading to the Debian NEW queue... I'm sorry, that is downstream Debian pain

Re: [openstack-dev] [Oslo] Change ListOpt and DictOpt default values

2013-10-10 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hi Flavio, On Thu, 2013-10-10 at 14:40 +0200, Flavio Percoco wrote: Greetings, I'd like to propose to change both ListOpt and DictOpt default values to [] and {} respectively. These values are, IMHO, saner defaults than None for this 2 options and behavior won't be altered - unles `is not

[openstack-dev] TC candidacy

2013-10-07 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hi I'd like to offer my self as a candidate for the Technical Committee election. About me I've been working on OpenStack for over two years now and have particularly focused my contributions on Nova and Oslo, but have also contributed in smaller ways to most other OpenStack projects. For the

[openstack-dev] Oslo PTL election

2013-09-23 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hey I meant to send this as soon as nominations opened - I figure that incumbent PTLs should make it clear if they don't intend to nominate themselves for re-election. To that end - I'm not going to put myself forward for election as Oslo PTL this time around. This is purely based on a gut

Re: [openstack-dev] [Oslo] PTL Candidacy

2013-09-23 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Sat, 2013-09-21 at 09:16 -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote: I am running for PTL for the OpenStack Common Libraries (Oslo) project. Excellent! Doug has been a superb contributor to Oslo and I've particularly appreciated his keen eye for Python API design. I've no doubt that Doug would make a

Re: [openstack-dev] Client and Policy

2013-09-19 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2013-09-19 at 15:22 -0500, Dolph Mathews wrote: On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Adam Young ayo...@redhat.com wrote: I can submit a summit proposal. I was thinking of making it more general than just the Policy piece. Here is my proposed session. Let me

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] FFE Request: oslo-messaging

2013-09-06 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Fri, 2013-09-06 at 10:59 +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: Mark McLoughlin wrote: I'd like to request a feature freeze exception for the final (and admittedly the largest) patch in the series of 40 patches to port Nova to oslo.messaging: https://review.openstack.org/39929 I'm

[openstack-dev] [Nova] FFE Request: oslo-messaging

2013-09-05 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hi I'd like to request a feature freeze exception for the final (and admittedly the largest) patch in the series of 40 patches to port Nova to oslo.messaging: https://review.openstack.org/39929 While this change doesn't provide any immediate user-visible benefit, it would be massively helpful

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] FFE Request: oslo-messaging

2013-09-05 Thread Mark McLoughlin
adding oslo.messaging to Smokestack before heading off on vacation, but I expect I'll get to it next week. Cheers, Mark. thanks, dims On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com wrote: Hi I'd like to request a feature freeze exception for the final

Re: [openstack-dev] [Oslo.db] Configuration options

2013-08-21 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 01:14 +, Joshua Harlow wrote: Agreed, any thoughts from the oslo folks on how this could be done (without a major refactoring??). Can it even be done? It will be a continuous problem for libraries which want to be integrated with the various openstack projects,

Re: [openstack-dev] Code review study

2013-08-20 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 14:12 +1200, Robert Collins wrote: This may interest data-driven types here. https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rational/library/11-proven-practices-for-peer-review/ Note specifically the citation of 200-400 lines as the knee of the review effectiveness curve: that's

Re: [openstack-dev] Code review study

2013-08-20 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Tue, 2013-08-20 at 11:26 +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 14:12 +1200, Robert Collins wrote: This may interest data-driven types here. https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rational/library/11-proven-practices-for-peer-review/ Note specifically the citation of 200

Re: [openstack-dev] Stats on blueprint design info / creation times

2013-08-20 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2013-08-19 at 14:38 -0300, Thierry Carrez wrote: Note that in some cases, some improvements that do not clearly fall into the bug category are landed without a blueprint link (or a bug link). So a first step could be to require that a review always references a bug or a blueprint

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone] [oslo] postpone key distribution bp until icehouse?

2013-08-20 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Wed, 2013-08-14 at 18:02 -0300, Thierry Carrez wrote: Simo Sorce wrote: On Wed, 2013-08-14 at 14:06 -0300, Thierry Carrez wrote: I explained why I prefer it to land in a few weeks rather than now... Can someone explain why they prefer the reverse ? Why does it have to be in havana ?

Re: [openstack-dev] Reminder: Oslo project meeting

2013-08-16 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Tue, 2013-08-13 at 22:09 +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: Hi We're having an IRC meeting on Friday to sync up again on the messaging work going on: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo https://etherpad.openstack.org/HavanaOsloMessaging Feel free to add other topics

[openstack-dev] Reminder: Oslo project meeting

2013-08-13 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hi We're having an IRC meeting on Friday to sync up again on the messaging work going on: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo https://etherpad.openstack.org/HavanaOsloMessaging Feel free to add other topics to the wiki See you on #openstack-meeting at 1400 UTC Thanks, Mark.

Re: [openstack-dev] Osl and dangerous code merging

2013-08-08 Thread Mark McLoughlin
What do you mean by dangerous code merging in the subject? The body of your mail doesn't make any reference to whatever danger you're seeing. On Thu, 2013-08-08 at 14:16 +0400, Boris Pavlovic wrote: Hi All, Could somebody answer me, why we are merging oslo code in other projects and don't

Re: [openstack-dev] Motion to start using Gerrit for TC votes

2013-08-08 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2013-08-08 at 10:55 +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: Monty Taylor wrote: * How do we handle proxies ? Giving temporary +2 to a non-TC member sounds like a bit of pain I do not think we'd need proxies anymore - as the vote wouldn't have to happen within the IRC meeting. Maybe

Re: [openstack-dev] Osl and dangerous code merging

2013-08-08 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2013-08-08 at 11:49 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Thu, Aug 08, 2013 at 11:39:44AM +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: What do you mean by dangerous code merging in the subject? The body of your mail doesn't make any reference to whatever danger you're seeing. On Thu, 2013-08-08

Re: [openstack-dev] Osl and dangerous code merging

2013-08-08 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2013-08-08 at 14:32 +0200, Flavio Percoco wrote: On 08/08/13 11:49 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Thu, Aug 08, 2013 at 11:39:44AM +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: What do you mean by dangerous code merging in the subject? The body of your mail doesn't make any reference to whatever

Re: [openstack-dev] [Oslo] oslo.version and pbr

2013-08-08 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Sun, 2013-08-04 at 13:41 -0400, Monty Taylor wrote: Hey all! Currently, there is runtime version handling code in pbr. It's been a cause of concern for some folks because it means that pbr becomes a runtime rather than just a build time dependency - so the suggestion has come across that

Re: [openstack-dev] Change in openstack/keystone[master]: Implement domain specific Identity backends

2013-08-08 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hi Henry, On Tue, 2013-08-06 at 22:10 +0100, Henry Nash wrote: Hi Mark, Of particular interest are your views on the changes to keystone/common/config.py. The requirement is that we need to be able to instantiate multiple conf objects (built from different sets of config files). We

Re: [openstack-dev] Python overhead for rootwrap

2013-08-02 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2013-07-25 at 14:40 -0600, Mike Wilson wrote: In my opinion: 1. Stop using rootwrap completely and get strong argument checking support into sudo (regex). 2. Some sort of long lived rootwrap process, either forked by the service that want's to shell out or a general purpose

Re: [openstack-dev] [Infra] New Bug tags in commit messages

2013-08-02 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Fri, 2013-08-02 at 09:00 -0700, James E. Blair wrote: Hi, Anthony Dodd has recently implemented some cool new features that we discussed at the summit -- driving more automation from commit messages. Here's what you need to know to use the new features: Use header style references when

Re: [openstack-dev] Program Proposal: Release cycle management

2013-08-01 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2013-08-01 at 11:39 +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: Following past discussions[1] on the TC, here is my proposal to cover for release management, stable branch management and VMT efforts within OpenStack. Feel free to suggest title or wording changes :) Official Title: Release

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack] Ceilometer and notifications

2013-08-01 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2013-08-01 at 10:36 +0200, Julien Danjou wrote: On Thu, Aug 01 2013, Sam Morrison wrote: OK so is it that ceilometer just leaves the message on the queue or only consumes certain messages? Ceilometer uses its own queue. There might be other processes consuming this

Re: [Openstack] [openstack-dev] Ceilometer and notifications

2013-08-01 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2013-08-01 at 10:36 +0200, Julien Danjou wrote: On Thu, Aug 01 2013, Sam Morrison wrote: OK so is it that ceilometer just leaves the message on the queue or only consumes certain messages? Ceilometer uses its own queue. There might be other processes consuming this

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Proposal to add Nikola Đipanov to nova-core

2013-07-31 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Wed, 2013-07-31 at 15:10 -0400, Russell Bryant wrote: Greetings, I propose that we add Nikola Đipanov to the nova-core team [1]. Nikola has been actively contributing to nova for a while now, both in code and reviews. He provides high quality reviews. so I think he would make a good

Re: [openstack-dev] Python 3

2013-07-24 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Wed, 2013-07-24 at 09:31 -0700, Alex Gaynor wrote: I believe Red Hat's new Software Collections things address this issue, this is to the point which Django (which has historically used RHEL as a barometer for when we could drop Pythons) will drop 2.6 in our next release. Yep, that's a very

Re: [openstack-dev] Discussing Amazon API compatibility [Nova][Swift]

2013-07-24 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Wed, 2013-07-24 at 08:51 -0700, Stefano Maffulli wrote: Hello I have seen lots of discussions on blogs and twitter heating up around Amazon API compatibility and OpenStack. This seems like a recurring topic, often raised by pundits and recently joined by members of the community. I think

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