Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Continue discussing multi-region orchestration

2013-11-19 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2013-11-15 12:41:53 -0800: Good news, everyone! I have created the missing whiteboard diagram that we all needed at the design summit: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Blueprints/Multi_Region_Support_for_Heat/The_Missing_Diagram I've documented 5

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Does Nova really need an SQL database?

2013-11-19 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Chris Friesen's message of 2013-11-19 09:29:00 -0800: On 11/18/2013 06:47 PM, Joshua Harlow wrote: An idea related to this, what would need to be done to make the DB have the exact state that a compute node is going through (and therefore the scheduler would not make

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Does Nova really need an SQL database?

2013-11-19 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Chris Friesen's message of 2013-11-19 11:37:02 -0800: On 11/19/2013 12:35 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: Each scheduler process can own a different set of resources. If they each grab instance requests in a round-robin fashion, then they will fill their resources up in a relatively

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT software configuration refined after design summit discussions

2013-11-19 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Steve Baker's message of 2013-11-19 13:06:21 -0800: On 11/20/2013 09:50 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Steve Baker's message of 2013-11-18 12:52:04 -0800: Regarding apply_config/remove_config, if a SoftwareApplier resource is deleted it should trigger any remove_config

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Does Nova really need an SQL database?

2013-11-19 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Chris Friesen's message of 2013-11-19 12:18:16 -0800: On 11/19/2013 01:51 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Chris Friesen's message of 2013-11-19 11:37:02 -0800: On 11/19/2013 12:35 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: Each scheduler process can own a different set of resources

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] New API requirements, review of GCE

2013-11-19 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Robert Collins's message of 2013-11-19 16:22:41 -0800: On 20 November 2013 13:00, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: As long as the metadataservice doesn't move out :) - that one I think is pretty core and we have no native replacement [configdrive is not a replacement :P].

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-18 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Sam Alba's message of 2013-11-18 14:05:47 -0800: Hello everyone, As some of you already know - in Hong-Kong during the last OpenStack Summit - we ran a design session in the Nova topic titled Docker support in OpenStack. The session concluded in developing a new OpenStack

Re: [openstack-dev] [Savanna] DiskBuilder / savanna-image-elements

2013-11-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Erik Bergenholtz's message of 2013-11-15 08:20:36 -0800: Team - We’d like to move our disk creation mechanism over to using DiskBuilder so that users can build (and modify) their own VM images. We’d like to piggy back off of the existing mechanism that the vanilla plugin

Re: [openstack-dev] Split of the openstack-dev list (summary so far)

2013-11-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Stefano Maffulli's message of 2013-11-15 09:12:05 -0800: On 11/15/2013 02:06 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Arguments in favor of splitting openstack-dev / stackforge-dev * People can easily filter out all non-openstack discussions * Traffic would drop by about 25% I'm not so

Re: [openstack-dev] Split of the openstack-dev list

2013-11-14 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Thierry Carrez's message of 2013-11-14 05:12:55 -0800: Hi everyone, I think that we have recently reached critical mass for the openstack-dev mailing-list, with 2267 messages posted in October, and November well on its way to pass 2000 again. Some of those are just off-topic

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT software configuration refined after design summit discussions

2013-11-13 Thread Clint Byrum
configuration refined after design summit discussions On 12/11/13 10:32 -0800, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Thomas Spatzier's message of 2013-11-11 08:57:58 -0800: Hi all, I have just posted the following wiki page to reflect a refined proposal for HOT software configuration

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT software configuration refined after design summit discussions

2013-11-12 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Thomas Spatzier's message of 2013-11-11 08:57:58 -0800: Hi all, I have just posted the following wiki page to reflect a refined proposal for HOT software configuration based on discussions at the design summit last week. Angus also put a sample up in an etherpad last week,

Re: [openstack-dev] [qa] Policy on spelling and grammar

2013-11-11 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from David Kranz's message of 2013-11-11 09:58:59 -0800: I have seen a wide variety of -1'ing (and in many cases approving) patches for minor spelling or grammatical errors and think we need a policy about this. Given the large number of contributors for whom English is not their

Re: [openstack-dev] Horizon PTL candidacy

2013-11-11 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Matthias Runge's message of 2013-11-11 00:04:52 -0800: On 11/10/2013 11:53 PM, John Dickinson wrote: A random off-the-top-of-my-head use case would be to subscribe to events from creating or changing objects in a particular Swift account or container. This would allow much

Re: [openstack-dev] [qa] Policy on spelling and grammar

2013-11-11 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2013-11-11 14:19:41 -0800: On 11/11/2013 02:28 PM, Tim Bell wrote: As a speaker of the Queen's English, I find flavor to be incorrect. Does that mean I can -1 any patch that does not use flavour ? At CERN, we are working with 130 countries in a

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Command Line Interface for Solum

2013-11-10 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Noorul Islam K M's message of 2013-11-10 07:15:34 -0800: Hello all, I registered a new blueprint [1] for command line client interface for Solum. We need to decide whether we should have a separate repository for this or go with new unified CLI framework [2]. Since Solum is

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat][keystone] APIs, roles, request scope and admin-ness

2013-11-05 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Steven Hardy's message of 2013-11-03 00:06:39 +0800: Hi all, Looking to start a wider discussion, prompted by: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/54651/ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/management-api https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-management-api Summary -

Re: [openstack-dev] A Tool for Making OpenStack Log Reading a Bit Easier

2013-11-05 Thread Clint Byrum
I often use ccze to look at logs. It has some built in things like coloring the words warn or warning yellow and error red. It would be great to have this filter added as another ccze plugin. Excerpts from Solly Ross's message of 2013-11-06 05:58:02 +0800: Hello All, The other day, I was

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Network topologies

2013-11-04 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Kyle Mestery (kmestery)'s message of 2013-11-05 06:35:04 +0800: On Nov 2, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Salvatore Orlando sorla...@nicira.com wrote: Hi. I looked at the detailed API specification submitted by Edgar. I think that the document Edgar shared does a fine job in

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum]: Welcome to the community site for Solum !!

2013-11-04 Thread Clint Byrum
This is cool, I think other OpenStack projects would do well to have a more user-centric landing page. I have a suggestion for a logo for Solum though ... http://www.openstack.org/brand/openstack-logo/ What I mean is, rather than create a new brand.. enhance the OpenStack brand with users.

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum]: Welcome to the community site for Solum !!

2013-11-04 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Adrian Otto's message of 2013-11-05 15:10:09 +0800: Clint, The rules about use of the OpenStack brand are clear, and Solum is not allowed to use it. We are a part of the OpenStack ecosystem, but the OpenStack brand (trademark/logo) is reserved for those projects that are

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Do we need to clean up resource_id after deletion?

2013-11-01 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Christopher Armstrong's message of 2013-11-01 11:34:56 -0700: Vijendar and I are trying to figure out if we need to set the resource_id of a resource to None when it's being deleted. This is done in a few resources, but not everywhere. To me it seems either a) redundant,

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] TripleO core reviewer update - november

2013-10-31 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Robert Collins's message of 2013-10-30 02:06:38 -0700: Hi, like most OpenStack projects we need to keep the core team up to date: folk who are not regularly reviewing will lose context over time, and new folk who have been reviewing regularly should be trusted with -core

Re: [openstack-dev] When is it okay for submitters to say 'I don't want to add tests' ?

2013-10-31 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Mark McLoughlin's message of 2013-10-31 06:30:32 -0700: On Thu, 2013-10-31 at 15:37 +1300, Robert Collins wrote: This is a bit of a social norms thread I've been consistently asking for tests in reviews for a while now, and I get the occasional push-back. I think this

Re: [openstack-dev] When is it okay for submitters to say 'I don't want to add tests' ?

2013-10-31 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Khanh-Toan Tran's message of 2013-10-31 07:22:06 -0700: Hi all, As a newbie of the community, I'm not familiar with unittest and how to use it here. I've learned that Jenkins runs tests everytime we submit some code. But how to write the test and what is a 'good test' and a

Re: [openstack-dev] HK Summit - Image Creation and Customization unconference?

2013-10-31 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Ian McLeod's message of 2013-10-31 11:27:39 -0700: Hello, Would any of you attending the summit be interested in snagging an unconference session to discuss the state of play with image creation, customization and import? I can contribute an overview and demonstration of our

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [savanna] [trove] Place for software configuration

2013-10-31 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Alexander Kuznetsov's message of 2013-10-31 10:51:54 -0700: Hi Heat, Savanna and Trove teams, All this projects have common part related to software configuration management. For creation, an environment user should specify a hardware parameter for vms: choose flavor,

[openstack-dev] [Heat] Locking and ZooKeeper - a space oddysey

2013-10-30 Thread Clint Byrum
So, recently we've had quite a long thread in gerrit regarding locking in Heat: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49440/ In the patch, there are two distributed lock drivers. One uses SQL, and suffers from all the problems you might imagine a SQL based locking system would. It is extremely hard

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Locking and ZooKeeper - a space oddysey

2013-10-30 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Joshua Harlow's message of 2013-10-30 11:57:30 -0700: As for the mutex and locking and all that problem. I would expect locking to be a necessity at some point for openstack. Even if the state transitions are the locks themselves (that¹s still a lock by another name imho) and

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Solum transitioned to openstack-dev

2013-10-30 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Adrian Otto's message of 2013-10-30 12:08:28 -0700: Hi, The Solum team has agreed[1] to use openstack-dev, and has closed its project-specific mailing list. We look forward to discussing ongoing design and development efforts here. We are also transitioning to an openstack

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Locking and ZooKeeper - a space oddysey

2013-10-30 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Joshua Harlow's message of 2013-10-30 17:46:44 -0700: This works as long as you have 1 DB and don't fail over to a secondary slave DB. Now u can say we all must use percona (or similar) for this, but then Did you mean Galera which provides multiple synchronous masters? that¹s

Re: [openstack-dev] [Trove] Templates in Trove

2013-10-29 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Robert Myers's message of 2013-10-29 07:54:59 -0700: I'm pulling this conversation out of the gerrit review as I think it needs more discussion. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53499/ After reading the comments in that review, it seems to me that you don't need a client side

Re: [openstack-dev] distibuted caching system in front of mysql server for openstack transactions

2013-10-28 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Dolph Mathews's message of 2013-10-28 08:40:19 -0700: It's not specific to mysql (or sql at all), but keystone is using dogpile.cache around driver calls to a similar effect. http://dogpilecache.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ It can persist to memcache, redis, etc. I once

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Thoughs please on how to address a problem with mutliple deletes leading to a nova-compute thread pool problem

2013-10-28 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Joshua Harlow's message of 2013-10-28 09:01:44 -0700: Except I think the CAP theorem would say that u can't accurately give back there quota under thing like network partitions. If nova-compute and the message queue have a network partition then u can release there quota but

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Network topologies

2013-10-28 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Steven Hardy's message of 2013-10-28 07:47:06 -0700: On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 08:37:15AM -0700, Edgar Magana wrote: Heat Developers, I am one of the core developers for Neutron who is lately working on the concept of Network Topologies. I want to discuss with you if the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal

2013-10-28 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Steve Baker's message of 2013-10-28 15:43:02 -0700: On 10/26/2013 05:25 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Angus Salkeld's message of 2013-10-24 18:48:16 -0700: On 24/10/13 11:54 +0200, Patrick Petit wrote: Hi Clint, Thank you! I have few replies/questions in-line

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Proposal for new heat-core member

2013-10-26 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Steven Dake's message of 2013-10-25 12:12:54 -0700: Hi, I would like to propose Randall Burt for Heat Core. He has shown interest in Heat by participating in IRC and providing high quality reviews. The most important aspect in my mind of joining Heat Core is output and

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Thoughs please on how to address a problem with mutliple deletes leading to a nova-compute thread pool problem

2013-10-25 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Day, Phil's message of 2013-10-25 03:46:01 -0700: Hi Folks, We're very occasionally seeing problems where a thread processing a create hangs (and we've seen when taking to Cinder and Glance). Whilst those issues need to be hunted down in their own rights, they do show up

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal

2013-10-25 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Angus Salkeld's message of 2013-10-24 18:48:16 -0700: On 24/10/13 11:54 +0200, Patrick Petit wrote: Hi Clint, Thank you! I have few replies/questions in-line. Cheers, Patrick On 10/23/13 8:36 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: I think this fits into something that I want for optimizing

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal

2013-10-23 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Patrick Petit's message of 2013-10-23 10:58:22 -0700: Dear Steve and All, If I may add up on this already busy thread to share our experience with using Heat in large and complex software deployments. Thanks for sharing Patrick, I have a few replies in-line. I work on a

[openstack-dev] [Tempest] Do we need more people reviewing tempest?

2013-10-22 Thread Clint Byrum
I recently submitted a _tiny_ change to tempest to enable Python3 porting in python-keystoneclient. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/51736/ It has one +2 now, but 8 days after submitting it is still waiting for a second +2. It is not special though, there are 59 waiting on reviewer:

Re: [openstack-dev] Call for a clear COPYRIGHT-HOLDERS file in all OpenStack projects (and [trove] python-troveclient_0.1.4-1_amd64.changes REJECTED)

2013-10-22 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Monty Taylor's message of 2013-10-21 17:09:41 -0700: On 10/21/2013 10:44 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Mark McLoughlin's message of 2013-10-21 13:45:21 -0700: If you don't know who the copyright holders are, you cannot know that the license being granted

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal

2013-10-22 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Georgy Okrokvertskhov's message of 2013-10-22 13:32:40 -0700: Hi Thomas, I agree with you on semantics part. At the same time I see a potential question which might appear - if semantics is limited by few states visible for Heat engine, then who actually does software

Re: [openstack-dev] Call for a clear COPYRIGHT-HOLDERS file in all OpenStack projects (and [trove] python-troveclient_0.1.4-1_amd64.changes REJECTED)

2013-10-19 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Thomas Goirand's message of 2013-10-18 23:01:50 -0700: Hi there, TroveClient just got rejected by Debian FTP masters. Reply from Luke Faraone is below. In general, I would strongly advise that a clean COPYRIGHT-HOLDER file is created with the copyright holders in them.

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat]Blueprint for retry function with idenpotency in Heat

2013-10-17 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Mitsuru Kanabuchi's message of 2013-10-16 04:47:08 -0700: Hi all, We proposed a blueprint that supports API retry function with idenpotency for Heat. Prease review the blueprint. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/support-retry-with-idempotency This looks

Re: [openstack-dev] Building on Debian: Havana unit tests at build time report

2013-10-17 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Thomas Goirand's message of 2013-10-17 00:16:22 -0700: Hi, As you know, I maintain OpenStack both for Debian Sid, and a backport for Wheezy (non-official) repository (since using the backports repository for OpenStack wouldn't be practical). Below is the result of the building

Re: [openstack-dev] RFC: Freeze deps versions in requirements (was [tripleo], but that's a general topic)

2013-10-17 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Thomas Goirand's message of 2013-10-17 08:33:44 -0700: See above. Also, remember that package maintainers are a few (me alone for Debian, maybe 5 people in Ubuntu/Canonical) fighting hundreds of developers who wish not to be disturbed. However, in this particular case, the

Re: [openstack-dev] Change in openstack/heat[master]: Implement a Heat-native resource group

2013-10-17 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Mike Spreitzer's message of 2013-10-17 17:19:58 -0700: What is the rationale for this new feature? Since there is already an autoscaling group implemented by Heat, what is the added benefit here? And why is it being done as another heat-native thing rather than as an

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Plugin to use Docker containers a resources in a template

2013-10-17 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Sam Alba's message of 2013-10-17 18:06:04 -0700: Hi all, I've been recently working on a Docker plugin for Heat that makes it possible to use Docker containers as resources. I've just opened the repository: https://github.com/dotcloud/openstack-heat-docker It's now

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal

2013-10-16 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2013-10-16 06:16:33 -0700: On 16/10/13 00:48, Steve Baker wrote: I've just written some proposals to address Heat's HOT software configuration needs, and I'd like to use this thread to get some feedback:

Re: [openstack-dev] baremetal nova boot issue

2013-10-14 Thread Clint Byrum
intel based baremetal nodes. And for testing am simulating using VMs are baremetals as well. Please let me know. Thanks Ravi On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Excerpts from Ravikanth Samprathi's message of 2013-10-14 11:15:15 -0700: Thank you for your

Re: [openstack-dev] [Mistral] Announcing a new task scheduling and orchestration service for OpenStack

2013-10-14 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Renat Akhmerov's message of 2013-10-14 12:40:28 -0700: Hi OpenStackers, I am proud to announce the official launch of the Mistral project. At Mirantis we have a team to start contributing to the project right away. We invite anybody interested in task service state

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration proposal for workflows

2013-10-11 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Stan Lagun's message of 2013-10-11 07:22:37 -0700: Hello, Thanks Angus, Clint, I've got your design. It seems that Murano can built on top of that. With service metadata knowledge Murano can generate HOT templates with set of interdependent configs. Here is what will be

[openstack-dev] Thanks for fixing my patch

2013-10-11 Thread Clint Byrum
Recently in the TripleO meeting we identified situations where we need to make it very clear that it is ok to pick up somebody else's patch and finish it. We are broadly distributed, time-zone-wise, and I know other teams working on OpenStack projects have the same situation. So when one of us

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration proposal for workflows

2013-10-10 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Angus Salkeld's message of 2013-10-10 15:27:48 -0700: On 10/10/13 11:59 +0400, Stan Lagun wrote: This rises number of questions: 1. What about conditional dependencies? Like config3 depends on config1 AND config2 OR config3. We have the AND, but not an OR. To depend on two

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration proposal for workflows

2013-10-09 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Georgy Okrokvertskhov's message of 2013-10-09 08:37:36 -0700: Hi, In addition I want to add couple words about flexibility and debugging capabilities. I believe it is quite important for HOT template engine to control all aspects of deployment process execution including

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration proposal for workflows

2013-10-08 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Stan Lagun's message of 2013-10-08 13:53:45 -0700: Hello, I’m one of the engineer working on Murano project. Recently we started a discussion about Murano and Heat Software orchestration and I want to continue this discussion with more technical details. In our project we do

Re: [openstack-dev] [TRIPLEO] tripleo-core update october

2013-10-08 Thread Clint Byrum
I don't meant to pick on you personally Jiří, but I have singled this message out because I feel you have captured the objections to Robert's initial email well. Excerpts from Jiří Stránský's message of 2013-10-08 04:30:29 -0700: On 8.10.2013 11:44, Martyn Taylor wrote: Whilst I can see that

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] question about stack updates, instance groups and wait conditions

2013-10-04 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Simon Pasquier's message of 2013-10-03 07:12:51 -0700: Hi Clint, Thanks for the reply! I'll update the bug you raised with more information. In the meantime, I agree with you that cfn-hup is enough for now. BTW, is there any bug or missing feature that would prevent me

Re: [openstack-dev] [savanna] neutron and private networks

2013-10-04 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Fox, Kevin M's message of 2013-10-03 08:59:25 -0700: I've been trying to use heat more and ran into similar issues with its metadata server bits not working on private namespaces too. Long term it may need to be made netns aware as well. Hi Kevin, could you please file a bug

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Undercloud Ceilometer

2013-10-04 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Ladislav Smola's message of 2013-10-04 08:28:22 -0700: Hello, just a few words about role of Ceilometer in the Undercloud and the work in progress. Why we need Ceilometer in Undercloud: --- In Tuskar-UI, we will display

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [scheduler] Bringing things together for Icehouse (now featuring software orchestration)

2013-10-01 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Georgy Okrokvertskhov's message of 2013-09-30 11:44:26 -0700: Hi, I am working on the OpenStack project Murano which actually had to solve the same problem with software level orchestration. Right now Murano has a DSL language which allows you to define a workflow for a complex

Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler] [heat] Policy specifics (for holistic infrastructure scheduling)

2013-10-01 Thread Clint Byrum
Mike, this has been really fun, but it is starting to feel like a rabbit hole. The case for having one feels legitimate. However, at this point, I think someone will need to actually build it, or the idea is just a pipe dream. Excerpts from Mike Spreitzer's message of 2013-09-30 19:21:22 -0700:

Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler] [heat] Policy specifics

2013-09-30 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2013-09-30 03:33:32 -0700: On 27/09/13 17:58, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2013-09-27 06:58:40 -0700: On 27/09/13 08:58, Mike Spreitzer wrote: I have begun to draft some specifics about the sorts of policies that might

Re: [openstack-dev] [Spam] Heat stack-create fails in TripleO devtest environment

2013-09-30 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from hideyasu hayashi's message of 2013-09-30 18:29:24 -0700: Dear List, Hi, I set up TripleO devtest environment on VMware(Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS) according to devtest described in http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tripleo-incubator/devtest.html There are 50 steps. I set

Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler] [heat] Policy specifics

2013-09-27 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2013-09-27 06:58:40 -0700: On 27/09/13 08:58, Mike Spreitzer wrote: I have begun to draft some specifics about the sorts of policies that might be added to infrastructure to inform a smart unified placement engine. These are cast as an extension to

Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler] [heat] Policy specifics

2013-09-27 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Mike Spreitzer's message of 2013-09-27 11:51:20 -0700: Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote on 09/27/2013 11:58:16 AM: From: Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com To: openstack-dev openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org, Date: 09/27/2013 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone] Case sensitivity backend databases

2013-09-26 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Henry Nash's message of 2013-09-25 01:45:32 -0700: Hi Do we specify somewhere whether text field matching in the API is case sensitive or in-sensitive? I'm thinking about filters, as well as user and domain names in authentication. I think our current implementation will

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [scheduler] Bringing things together for Icehouse (now featuring software orchestration)

2013-09-25 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Mike Spreitzer's message of 2013-09-24 22:03:21 -0700: Let me elaborate a little on my thoughts about software orchestration, and respond to the recent mails from Zane and Debo. I have expanded my picture at

[openstack-dev] [Heat] PTL candidacy

2013-09-25 Thread Clint Byrum
of the bugs in Heat addressed as possible. * My name is not, in fact, Steve. You may consider this a pro, or a con. Clint Byrum Senior Server/Cloud Software Engineer - HP ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [scheduler] Bringing things together for Icehouse (now featuring software orchestration)

2013-09-25 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Thomas Spatzier's message of 2013-09-25 00:59:44 -0700: Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote on 25.09.2013 08:46:57: From: Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com To: openstack-dev openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org, Date: 25.09.2013 08:48 Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [scheduler

Re: [openstack-dev] [elastic-recheck] Announcing elastic-recheck

2013-09-25 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Joe Gordon's message of 2013-09-25 17:56:15 -0700: Hi All, TL;DR: We will be automatically identifying your flaky tempest runs, so you just have to confirm that you hit bug x, not identify which bug you hit. \o/ ___ OpenStack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [scheduler] Bringing things together for Icehouse

2013-09-23 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Keith Bray's message of 2013-09-23 12:22:16 -0700: I think this picture is relevant to Heat context: https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1Y_yyIpql5_cdC8116XrBHzn6GfP_g0NHTTG_W4o 0R9U/edit As more and more types of compute (containers, VMs, bare metal) and other resources

Re: [openstack-dev] Fwd: [Openstack-devel] PGP key signing party during the HK summit

2013-09-20 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Thomas Goirand's message of 2013-09-19 23:33:47 -0700: Hi, Has anyone thought about having a PGP key signing party during the summit? Guys from the Linux kernel thought it was useless, but after the hack of kernel.org, they started to understand it was useful, and now they

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] question about stack updates, instance groups and wait conditions

2013-09-20 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Simon Pasquier's message of 2013-09-17 05:57:58 -0700: Hello, I'm testing stack updates with instance group and wait conditions and I'd like to get feedback from the Heat community. My template declares an instance group resource with size = N and a wait condition resource

Re: [openstack-dev] TC Meeting / Savanna Incubation Follow-Up

2013-09-13 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Michael Basnight's message of 2013-09-13 08:26:07 -0700: On Sep 13, 2013, at 6:56 AM, Alexander Kuznetsov wrote: On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Michael Basnight mbasni...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 12, 2013, at 2:39 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Sergey Lukjanov wrote:

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] How the autoscale API should control scaling in Heat

2013-09-11 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Steven Hardy's message of 2013-09-11 05:59:02 -0700: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 03:51:02AM +, Adrian Otto wrote: It would be better if we could explain Autoscale like this: Heat - Autoscale - Nova, etc. -or- User - Autoscale - Nova, etc. This approach allows use

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat][oslo] mysql, sqlalchemy and sql_mode

2013-09-11 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Steven Hardy's message of 2013-09-11 03:37:40 -0700: Hi all, I'm investigating some issues, where data stored to a text column in mysql is silently truncated if it's too big. It appears that the default configuration of mysql, and the sessions established via sqlalchemy is

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] How the autoscale API should control scaling in Heat

2013-09-11 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Joshua Harlow's message of 2013-09-11 09:11:06 -0700: Sure, I was thinking that since heat would do autoscaling persay, then heat would say ask trove to make more databases (autoscale policy here) then this would cause trove to actually callback into heat to make more

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] summit.openstack.org track label for TripleO - Deployment

2013-09-10 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Thierry Carrez's message of 2013-09-10 00:56:29 -0700: Robert Collins wrote: Thierry, is it possible to change this to 'Deployment' rather than TripleO in the summit tool? I think it would avoid folk interested in Tuskar failing to find a place to submit their proposals, and

Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo] Scaling of TripleO

2013-09-06 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from James Slagle's message of 2013-09-06 10:27:32 -0700: The purpose of this email is to brainstorm some ideas about how TripleO could be scaled out for large deployments. Thanks for thinking this through and taking the time to vet the ideas TripleO has presented thus far. Idea 0

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone][heat] Question re deleting trusts via trust token

2013-09-03 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Dolph Mathews's message of 2013-09-03 16:12:00 -0700: On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Steven Hardy sha...@redhat.com wrote: Hi, I have a question for the keystone folks re the expected behavior when deleting a trust. Is it expected that you can only ever delete a trust

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Instance naming in IG/ASG and problems related to UpdatePolicy

2013-08-30 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Chan, Winson C's message of 2013-08-30 07:23:18 -0700: The ideal I think is to just use some random short id for the name of the instances and then store a creation timestamp somewhere with the resource and use the timestamp to determine the age of the instances for removal.

Re: [openstack-dev] [TRIPLEO] Derekh for tripleo core

2013-08-29 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Robert Collins's message of 2013-08-27 14:25:47 -0700: http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-30.txt http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-90.txt - Derek is reviewing fairly regularly and has got a sense of the culture etc now, I think.

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Heat mission statement

2013-08-29 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Robert Collins's message of 2013-08-27 14:13:37 -0700: On 28 August 2013 06:54, Steven Hardy sha...@redhat.com wrote: We had some recent discussions regarding the Heat mission statement and came up with: To explicitly model the relationships between OpenStack resources of

Re: [openstack-dev] [TRIPLEO] Derekh for tripleo core

2013-08-29 Thread Clint Byrum
(sent 2 days ago, but re-sending this as it never seemed to have arrived on the mailing list) Excerpts from Robert Collins's message of 2013-08-27 14:25:47 -0700: http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-30.txt http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-90.txt

Re: [openstack-dev] [savanna] Service Relationships and Dependencies

2013-08-29 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from John Speidel's message of 2013-08-27 09:29:18 -0700: Some services/components are related or have dependencies on other services and components.As an example, in HDP, the Hive service depends on HBase and Zookeeper.In Savanna, there is no way to express this relationship.If a

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Propose Liang Chen for heat-core

2013-08-23 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Steven Hardy's message of 2013-08-22 08:57:31 -0700: Hi, I'd like to propose that we add Liang Chen to the heat-core team[1] Liang has been doing some great work recently, consistently providing good review feedback[2][3], and also sending us some nice patches[4][5],

Re: [openstack-dev] Code review study

2013-08-20 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Mark McLoughlin's message of 2013-08-20 03:26:01 -0700: On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 14:12 +1200, Robert Collins wrote: This may interest data-driven types here. https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rational/library/11-proven-practices-for-peer-review/ Note specifically the

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate breakage process - Let's fix! (related but not specific to neutron)

2013-08-16 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Maru Newby's message of 2013-08-16 11:25:07 -0700: Neutron has been in and out of the gate for the better part of the past month, and it didn't slow the pace of development one bit. Most Neutron developers kept on working as if nothing was wrong, blithely merging changes with

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal oslo.db lib

2013-08-16 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Ben Nemec's message of 2013-08-16 11:10:09 -0700: On 2013-08-16 11:58, Jay Pipes wrote: On 08/16/2013 09:52 AM, Boris Pavlovic wrote: Hi all, We (OpenStack contributors) done a really huge and great work around DB code in Grizzly and Havana to unify it, put all common

Re: [openstack-dev] Launchpad bug tracker defects (was: Proposal oslo.db lib)

2013-08-16 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Thierry Carrez's message of 2013-08-16 13:55:46 -0700: Jay Pipes wrote: Are you going to create a separate Launchpad project for the library and track bugs against it separately? Or are you going to use the oslo project in Launchpad for that? At the moment all of the

[openstack-dev] Ensuring that we have OpenStack-friendly deployment options. (point: AGPL is problematic)

2013-08-09 Thread Clint Byrum
While looking at some of the emerging technologies coming into stackforge and moving toward incubation and/or incubation, an interesting trend has appeared. Everybody is using MongoDB! Now, don't get me wrong. MongoDB is being chosen for its technical excellence in these problem areas. I think

Re: [openstack-dev] Python overhead for rootwrap

2013-08-08 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Joshua Harlow's message of 2013-08-08 10:39:38 -0700: A very neat option. I hadn't thought about tasks having policies on them. It does seem like a correct way to go, and a way that could help in some of the rootwrap area. Good idea jay, the taskflow devs I think are

Re: [openstack-dev] Blueprint for Nova native image building

2013-08-08 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Ian McLeod's message of 2013-08-08 07:29:14 -0700: On Wed, 2013-08-07 at 11:00 -0700, Clint Byrum wrote: Flexibility can also be looked at as complexity. Complexity in Nova is expensive in many ways. But just poking a few more holes into Nova via the API would be a simple

[openstack-dev] [Heat] event table is a ticking time bomb

2013-08-08 Thread Clint Byrum
Last night while reviewing a feature which would add more events to the event table, it dawned on me that the event table really must be removed. https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1209492 tl;dr: users can write an infinite number of rows to the event table at a fairly alarming rate just by

Re: [openstack-dev] [DevStack] Python dependencies: PyPI vs distro packages

2013-08-07 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Joshua Harlow's message of 2013-08-06 21:03:58 -0700: It does seem sad that the state of package management is this bad. It'd would be equally interesting to hear how others rollback changes (another thing yum doesn't do so well, since it doesn't have a good ability to

Re: [openstack-dev] [glance] Should image size/checksum be immutable for active images?

2013-08-07 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from stuart.mclaren's message of 2013-08-07 02:13:15 -0700: Typically its the not-very-interesting case of changing the size from 0 to the real size after the data has uploaded. That happens before the image state transitions to 'active'. Shouldn't the size be NULL, not 0, since

Re: [openstack-dev] Blueprint for Nova native image building

2013-08-07 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Ian McLeod's message of 2013-08-06 15:06:34 -0700: On Tue, 2013-08-06 at 16:02 -0300, Monty Taylor wrote: On 08/06/2013 03:46 PM, Russell Bryant wrote: On 08/06/2013 12:20 PM, Russell Bryant wrote: On 08/06/2013 11:53 AM, Ian Mcleod wrote: Hello, A blueprint has

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] The way to use one config file with new oslo module

2013-08-06 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Emilien Macchi's message of 2013-08-06 09:09:08 -0700: Hi, Since https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36476/ has been merged, heat could use only one configuration file : heat.conf instead of heat-engine.conf, heat-api.conf, etc. I would like your thoughts about deleting old

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