Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Vlan aware VMs or trunking

2016-12-07 Thread Kevin Benton
I think we will probably end up having to support the direct pass through anyway. The reason that landed in the spec is because someone claimed they had switches that couldn't do translation very well. We will just need volunteers to make the changes required on the Neutron side. On Wed, Dec 7, 20

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Vlan aware VMs or trunking

2016-12-07 Thread Vasyl Saienko
On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Kevin Benton wrote: > >It work only when whole switch is aimed by single customer, it will not > work when several customers sharing the same switch. > > Do you know what vendors have this limitation? I know the broadcom > chipsets didn't prevent this (we allowed V

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Vlan aware VMs or trunking

2016-12-07 Thread Kevin Benton
>It work only when whole switch is aimed by single customer, it will not work when several customers sharing the same switch. Do you know what vendors have this limitation? I know the broadcom chipsets didn't prevent this (we allowed VLAN rewrites scoped to ports at Big Switch). If it's common to

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Vlan aware VMs or trunking

2016-12-07 Thread Vasyl Saienko
On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 7:12 PM, Kevin Benton wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Vasyl Saienko > wrote: > >> @Armando: IMO the spec [0] is not about enablement of Trunks and >> baremetal. This spec is rather about trying to make user request with any >> network configuration (number of

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Vlan aware VMs or trunking

2016-12-07 Thread Kevin Benton
On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Vasyl Saienko wrote: > @Armando: IMO the spec [0] is not about enablement of Trunks and > baremetal. This spec is rather about trying to make user request with any > network configuration (number of requested NICs) to be able successfully > deployed on ANY ironic n

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Vlan aware VMs or trunking

2016-12-07 Thread Vasyl Saienko
@Armando: IMO the spec [0] is not about enablement of Trunks and baremetal. This spec is rather about trying to make user request with any network configuration (number of requested NICs) to be able successfully deployed on ANY ironic node (even when number of hardware interfaces is less than numbe

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Vlan aware VMs or trunking

2016-12-07 Thread Kevin Benton
Just to be clear, in this case the switches don't support VLAN translation (e.g. [1])? Because that also solves the problem you are running into. This is the preferable path for bare metal because it avoids exposing provider details to users and doesn't tie you to VLANs on the backend. 1. http://i

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Vlan aware VMs or trunking

2016-12-07 Thread Armando M.
On 7 December 2016 at 04:02, Vasyl Saienko wrote: > Armando, Kevin, > > Thanks for your comments. > > To be more clear we are trying to use neutron trunks implementation with > baremetal servers (Ironic). Baremetal servers are plugged to Tor (Top of > the Rack) switch. User images are spawned dir

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Vlan aware VMs or trunking

2016-12-07 Thread Vasyl Saienko
Armando, Kevin, Thanks for your comments. To be more clear we are trying to use neutron trunks implementation with baremetal servers (Ironic). Baremetal servers are plugged to Tor (Top of the Rack) switch. User images are spawned directly onto hardware. Ironic uses Neutron ML2 drivers to plug bar

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Vlan aware VMs or trunking

2016-12-06 Thread Armando M.
On 6 December 2016 at 08:49, Vasyl Saienko wrote: > Hello Neutron Community, > > > I've found that nice feature vlan-aware-vms was implemented in Newton [0]. > However the usage of this feature for regular users is impossible, unless > I'm missing something. > > As I understood correctly it shoul

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Vlan aware VMs or trunking

2016-12-06 Thread Kevin Benton
The segmentation type of the trunk (how the VM attached to the parent port sees the traffic) has nothing to do with the provider segmentation details (how the traffic will be encapsulated when it leaves the compute node). You're right that a normal user won't know the latter details, but they don'

[openstack-dev] [neutron] Vlan aware VMs or trunking

2016-12-06 Thread Vasyl Saienko
Hello Neutron Community, I've found that nice feature vlan-aware-vms was implemented in Newton [0]. However the usage of this feature for regular users is impossible, unless I'm missing something. As I understood correctly it should work in the following way: 1. It is possible to group neutr

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] VLAN aware VMs: Current status?

2015-08-05 Thread Ildikó Váncsa
ge questions) > Subject: [openstack-dev] [neutron] VLAN aware VMs: Current status? > > I'm sending this email to solicit a response from the owners of the VLAN > aware VMs spec [1] [2]. The spec was merged on June 24, > and I haven't seen any code posted. Given I expect this to

[openstack-dev] [neutron] VLAN aware VMs: Current status?

2015-07-30 Thread Kyle Mestery
I'm sending this email to solicit a response from the owners of the VLAN aware VMs spec [1] [2]. The spec was merged on June 24, and I haven't seen any code posted. Given I expect this to take some iterations in review, is the plan to push code for this sometime soon? Thanks! Kyle [1] https://rev

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] VLAN-aware VMs meeting

2015-06-15 Thread Ildikó Váncsa
ds, Ildikó > -Original Message- > From: Kyle Mestery [mailto:mest...@mestery.com] > Sent: June 15, 2015 15:52 > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] VLAN-aware VMs meeting > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 7

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] VLAN-aware VMs meeting

2015-06-15 Thread Kyle Mestery
On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 7:40 AM, Ildikó Váncsa wrote: > Hi Kyle, > > > -Original Message- > > From: Kyle Mestery [mailto:mest...@mestery.com] > > Sent: June 15, 2015 04:26 > > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > > Subject

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] VLAN-aware VMs meeting

2015-06-15 Thread Ildikó Váncsa
Hi Kyle, > -Original Message- > From: Kyle Mestery [mailto:mest...@mestery.com] > Sent: June 15, 2015 04:26 > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] VLAN-aware VMs meeting > > On Fri, Jun 12, 20

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] VLAN-aware VMs meeting

2015-06-14 Thread Kyle Mestery
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ildikó Váncsa wrote: > Hi, > > > > Since we reopened the review for this blueprint we’ve got a large number > of comments. It can be clearly seen that the original proposal has to be > changed, although it still requires some discussion to define a reasonable > d

[openstack-dev] [Neutron] VLAN-aware VMs meeting

2015-06-12 Thread Ildikó Váncsa
Hi, Since we reopened the review for this blueprint we've got a large number of comments. It can be clearly seen that the original proposal has to be changed, although it still requires some discussion to define a reasonable design that provides the desired feature and is aligned with the archi

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] VLAN aware VMs

2013-11-04 Thread Isaku Yamahata
ntext (when a firewall VM uses a trunk port to connect > > > > multiple networks). The basic question is how we should present a > > trunk port > > > > and the vlan on a trunk port to Neutron. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] VLAN aware VMs

2013-11-04 Thread Yi Sun
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] VLAN aware VMs

2013-11-04 Thread Erik Moe
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] VLAN aware VMs

2013-11-04 Thread Kyle Mestery (kmestery)
> > > Yi > > > > > > > > From: Erik Moe [mailto:emoe...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 1:56 PM > > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > > Subject: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] VLAN aware VMs > > > > > > > > Hi! > >

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] VLAN aware VMs

2013-11-04 Thread Yi Sun
ultiple networks). The basic question is how we should present a trunk > port > > and the vlan on a trunk port to Neutron. > > > > > > > > Yi > > > > > > > > From: Erik Moe [mailto:emoe...@gmail.com ] > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 1:

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] VLAN aware VMs

2013-10-28 Thread Yi Sun
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] VLAN aware VMs

2013-10-28 Thread Erik Moe
M uses a trunk port to connect > > multiple networks). The basic question is how we should present a trunk > port > > and the vlan on a trunk port to Neutron. > > > > > > > > Yi > > > > > > > > From: Erik Moe [mailto:emoe

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] VLAN aware VMs

2013-10-28 Thread Isaku Yamahata
28, 2013 1:56 PM > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > Subject: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] VLAN aware VMs > > > > Hi! > > We are looking into how to make it possible for tenant VMs to use VLAN > tagged traffic to connect to different Neutron networks. > > >

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] VLAN aware VMs

2013-10-28 Thread Kyle Mestery (kmestery)
ld present a trunk port and the > vlan on a trunk port to Neutron. > > Yi > > From: Erik Moe [mailto:emoe...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 1:56 PM > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > Subject: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] VLAN aware VMs > > Hi! &g

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] VLAN aware VMs

2013-10-28 Thread beyounn
. Yi From: Erik Moe [mailto:emoe...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 1:56 PM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] VLAN aware VMs Hi! We are looking into how to make it possible for tenant VMs to use VLAN tagged traffic to connect to different

[openstack-dev] [Neutron] VLAN aware VMs

2013-10-28 Thread Erik Moe
Hi! We are looking into how to make it possible for tenant VMs to use VLAN tagged traffic to connect to different Neutron networks. The VID on frames sent/received will determine which Neutron network the frames are connected to. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/vlan-aware-vms I w