Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Vladimir Kuklin wrote: > Folks, I sent a reply a couple of days ago, but somehow it got lost. The > original message goes below > > Folks > > It is essentially true that Fuel is no longer being developed as almost 99% > of people have left

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

Vova, I really hope and wish for a reboot!. Please do note that the change proposed is only just a governance repo change. There is no one here who has proposed any retiring of the fuel repositories (process for retirement is here - [1]). Thanks, Dims [1]

[openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

Folks, I sent a reply a couple of days ago, but somehow it got lost. The original message goes below Folks It is essentially true that Fuel is no longer being developed as almost 99% of people have left the project and are working on something else. May be, in the future, when the dust settles,

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

Thanks for the initial feedback everyone. I proposed the matching governance change at: https://review.openstack.org/475721 Please comment there if you think it's a good or bad idea. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) __ OpenStack

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

> On Jun 16, 2017, at 07:28, Jay Pipes wrote: > > On 06/16/2017 09:57 AM, Emilien Macchi wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Dean Troyer wrote: >>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: I'd fully support the

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Emilien Macchi wrote: > Regarding all the company efforts to invest in one deployment tool, > it's going to be super hard to find The OneTrue and convince everyone > else to work on it. The idea is not that everyone works on it, it is simply

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

On 06/16/2017 09:57 AM, Emilien Macchi wrote: On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Dean Troyer wrote: On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: I'd fully support the removal of all deployment projects from the "official OpenStack projects list".

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Dean Troyer wrote: > On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: >> I'd fully support the removal of all deployment projects from the "official >> OpenStack projects list". > > Nice to hear Jay! :) > > It was

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Shake Chen wrote: > > HI Vikash > > > > I think Kolla is suitable for official project for deployment > > Deployment tooling is, by nature, opinionated. You just can't enable > everything and keep it manageable. As

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

Shake Chen wrote: > HI Vikash > > I think Kolla is suitable for official project for deployment Deployment tooling is, by nature, opinionated. You just can't enable everything and keep it manageable. As long as people will have differing opinions on how OpenStack pieces should be deployed,

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

HI Vikash I think Kolla is suitable for official project for deployment On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Vikash Kumar < vikash.ku...@oneconvergence.com> wrote: > I strongly believe Openstack must have any one official project for > deployment whether its Fuel or anything else. Cutting it

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

I strongly believe Openstack must have any one official project for deployment whether its Fuel or anything else. Cutting it short, talking to number of people across industry/academic/government institutions, got a sense that its necessary that there should be a official tool more than Devstack

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: > I'd fully support the removal of all deployment projects from the "official > OpenStack projects list". Nice to hear Jay! :) It was intentional from the beginning to not be in the deployment space, we allowed those

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

On 06/15/2017 11:05 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 06/15/2017 11:56 AM, Ben Nemec wrote: Full disclosure: I primarily work on TripleO so I do have a horse in this race. On 06/15/2017 10:33 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 06/15/2017 10:35 AM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2017-06-15 10:48:21 +0200 (+0200),

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

Excerpts from Jay Pipes's message of 2017-06-15 12:06:53 -0400: > On 06/15/2017 11:59 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > > Jay Pipes wrote: > >> While I personally agree that Fuel should be moved out of the official > >> projects list, I'd like to point out that Triple-O is virtually entirely > >> a Red

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: > On 06/15/2017 11:56 AM, Ben Nemec wrote: >> >> Full disclosure: I primarily work on TripleO so I do have a horse in this >> race. >> >> On 06/15/2017 10:33 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: >>> >>> On 06/15/2017 10:35 AM, Jeremy Stanley

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

On 2017-06-15 12:05:42 -0400 (-0400), Jay Pipes wrote: [...] > Please see Jeremy's paragraph directly above my response. He > specifically mentions single-vendor-ness as a reason for removal. [...] It is, when the danger of being single-vendor becomes manifest in that vendor ceasing their

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

On 06/15/2017 11:59 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Jay Pipes wrote: While I personally agree that Fuel should be moved out of the official projects list, I'd like to point out that Triple-O is virtually entirely a Red Hat project: http://stackalytics.com/?module=tripleo-group

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

On 06/15/2017 11:56 AM, Ben Nemec wrote: Full disclosure: I primarily work on TripleO so I do have a horse in this race. On 06/15/2017 10:33 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 06/15/2017 10:35 AM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2017-06-15 10:48:21 +0200 (+0200), Thierry Carrez wrote: [...] I think that,

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

Jay Pipes wrote: > While I personally agree that Fuel should be moved out of the official > projects list, I'd like to point out that Triple-O is virtually entirely > a Red Hat project: > > http://stackalytics.com/?module=tripleo-group > http://stackalytics.com/?module=tripleo-group=commits > >

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

Full disclosure: I primarily work on TripleO so I do have a horse in this race. On 06/15/2017 10:33 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 06/15/2017 10:35 AM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2017-06-15 10:48:21 +0200 (+0200), Thierry Carrez wrote: [...] I think that, despite the efforts of the Fuel team, Fuel

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

On 06/15/2017 10:35 AM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2017-06-15 10:48:21 +0200 (+0200), Thierry Carrez wrote: [...] I think that, despite the efforts of the Fuel team, Fuel did not become what we hoped when we made it official: a universal installer that would be used across the board. It was worth

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

On 2017-06-15 10:48:21 +0200 (+0200), Thierry Carrez wrote: [...] > I think that, despite the efforts of the Fuel team, Fuel did not become > what we hoped when we made it official: a universal installer that would > be used across the board. It was worth a try, I'm happy that we tried, > but I

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

On 15/06/17 10:48 +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: Hi everyone, Part of reducing OpenStack perceived complexity is to cull projects that have not delivered on their initial promises. Those are always difficult discussions, but we need to have them. In this email I'd like to discuss whether we

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

Excerpts from Thierry Carrez's message of 2017-06-15 10:48:21 +0200: > Hi everyone, > > Part of reducing OpenStack perceived complexity is to cull projects that > have not delivered on their initial promises. Those are always difficult > discussions, but we need to have them. In this email I'd

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 07:39:23AM -0400, Davanum Srinivas wrote: > +1 to drop Fuel from governance > > -- Dims > +1 from me too. Sean __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe:

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

+1 to drop Fuel from governance -- Dims On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 4:48 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Part of reducing OpenStack perceived complexity is to cull projects that > have not delivered on their initial promises. Those are always difficult >

[openstack-dev] [tc][fuel] Making Fuel a hosted project

Hi everyone, Part of reducing OpenStack perceived complexity is to cull projects that have not delivered on their initial promises. Those are always difficult discussions, but we need to have them. In this email I'd like to discuss whether we should no longer consider Fuel an official OpenStack