[openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Neutron LBaaS, Libra and "managed services"

2014-03-24 Thread Susanne Balle
My apologies if you receive this twice. I seems to have problems with my gmail account. Hi Neutron LBaaS folks, I have been getting up to speed on the Neutron LBaaS implementation and have been wondering how to make it fit our needs in HP public cloud as well as as an enterprise-grade load ba

[openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Neutron LBaaS, Libra and "managed services" concept

2014-03-24 Thread Susanne Balle
Hi Neutron LBaaS folks, I have been getting up to speed on the Neutron LBaaS implementation and have been wondering how to make it fit our needs in HP public cloud as well as as an enterprise-grade load balancer service for HP Openstack implementations. We are currently using Libra as our LBaaS i

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Neutron LBaaS, Libra and "managed services"

2014-03-24 Thread Eugene Nikanorov
Hi Susanne, a couple of comments inline: > > We would like to discuss adding the concept of "managed services" to the > Neutron LBaaS either directly or via a Neutron LBaaS plug-in to Libra/HA > proxy. The latter could be a second approach for some of the software > load-balancers e.g. HA prox

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Neutron LBaaS, Libra and "managed services"

2014-03-24 Thread Susanne Balle
Eugene, Thanks for your comments, See inline: Susanne On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Eugene Nikanorov wrote: > Hi Susanne, > > a couple of comments inline: > > > >> >> We would like to discuss adding the concept of "managed services" to the >> Neutron LBaaS either directly or via a Neutron

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Neutron LBaaS, Libra and "managed services"

2014-03-24 Thread Brandon Logan
enough to warrant a separate driver. From: Susanne Balle [sleipnir...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 4:59 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Neutron LBaaS, Libra and "ma

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Neutron LBaaS, Libra and "managed services"

2014-03-24 Thread John Dewey
ough to > warrant a separate driver. > From: Susanne Balle [sleipnir...@gmail.com (mailto:sleipnir...@gmail.com)] > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 4:59 PM > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Neutron LBaaS,

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Neutron LBaaS, Libra and "managed services"

2014-03-25 Thread Susanne Balle
ivers that do a lot of similar things but are just > different enough to warrant a separate driver. > -- > *From:* Susanne Balle [sleipnir...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Monday, March 24, 2014 4:59 PM > *To:* OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > *Subject:* Re: [opens

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Neutron LBaaS, Libra and "managed services"

2014-03-25 Thread Eugene Nikanorov
> > One example where the managed service approach for the HA proxy load >>> balancer is different from the current Neutron LBaaS roadmap is around HA >>> and resiliency. The 2 LB HA setup proposed ( >>> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/lbaas-ha-haproxy) isn't >>> appropriate for serv

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Neutron LBaaS, Libra and "managed services"

2014-03-25 Thread Eugene Nikanorov
e Balle [sleipnir...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Monday, March 24, 2014 4:59 PM > *To:* OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > *Subject:* Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Neutron LBaaS, Libra and > "managed services" > > Eugene, > > Thanks for

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Neutron LBaaS, Libra and "managed services"

2014-03-25 Thread Susanne Balle
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Eugene Nikanorov wrote: > > >> >>> That for sure can be implemented. I only would recommend to implement >>> such kind of management system out of Neutron/LBaaS tree, e.g. to only have >>> client within Libra driver that will communicate with the management >>

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Neutron LBaaS, Libra and "managed services"

2014-03-25 Thread Eugene Nikanorov
Hi John, On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 7:26 AM, John Dewey wrote: > I have a similar concern. The underlying driver may support different > functionality, but the differentiators need exposed through the top level > API. > Not really, whole point of the service is to abstract the user from specific

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Neutron LBaaS, Libra and "managed services"

2014-03-25 Thread Susanne Balle
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Eugene Nikanorov wrote: > Hi John, > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 7:26 AM, John Dewey wrote: > >> I have a similar concern. The underlying driver may support different >> functionality, but the differentiators need exposed through the top level >> API. >> > Not r

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Neutron LBaaS, Libra and "managed services"

2014-03-25 Thread Geoff Arnold
There are (at least) two ways of expressing differentiation: - through an API extension, visible to the tenant - though an internal policy mechanism, with specific policies inferred from tenant or network characteristics Both have their place. Please don't fall into the trap of thinking that dif

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Neutron LBaaS, Libra and "managed services"

2014-03-25 Thread Jorge Miramontes
ot for usage questions)" mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Neutron LBaaS, Libra and "managed services" John, Brandon, I agree that we cannot have a multitude of drivers doing the same thing or close to because then

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Neutron LBaaS, Libra and "managed services"

2014-03-26 Thread Susanne Balle
e scenarios >> we have a ton of drivers that do a lot of similar things but are just >> different enough to warrant a separate driver. >> -- >> *From:* Susanne Balle [sleipnir...@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Monday, March 24, 2014 4:59 PM >> *

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Neutron LBaaS, Libra and "managed services"

2014-03-26 Thread Eugene Nikanorov
From: Susanne Balle >> Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" >> >> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 6:59 AM >> To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" < >> openstack-dev@lists.openstack.o

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Neutron LBaaS, Libra and "managed services"

2014-03-26 Thread Brandon Logan
2014 12:57 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Neutron LBaaS, Libra and "managed services" Let's discuss it on weekly LBaaS meeting tomorrow. Thanks, Eugene. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Susanne Ba

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Neutron LBaaS, Libra and "managed services"

2014-03-27 Thread Susanne Balle
Geoff I noticed the following two blueprints: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/adv-services-in-vms This blueprint defines a framework for creating, managing and deploying Neutron advanced services implemented as virtual machines. The goal is to enable advanced network services (e