Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla][tc] Video Meetings - input requested

Seconding Doug's call. On concrete suggestion from me is to give enough time ahead of the video meeting so folks who are not able to participate can provide their input via other medium for consideration during the meeting. Folks will also be able to chime in about if the time would work or not

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t;openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> Subject:  Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla][tc] Video Meetings - input requested > Ok, let me reverse this discussion. We think hangouts are exclusive, > and irc is not? I've seen multiple times when people were waaay into > discussion, lines of text swarmin

Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla][tc] Video Meetings - input requested

Excerpts from Michał Jastrzębski's message of 2016-12-15 14:57:10 -0600: > I will defend this thing as something what we needed at the time. > Sometimes heated up video discussion helps to resolve > misunderstandings which otherwise could grow up and become conflicts > in community, which would

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Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2016-12-15 15:16:07 -0500: > The next 'generation' of core reviewers will acquire their knowledge > largely from discussions between the current cores. It's important to > the long-term health of the project not to cut them off from those > discussions,

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On 14/12/16 12:05 -0500, Doug Hellmann wrote: Excerpts from Michał Jastrzębski's message of 2016-12-14 09:56:46 -0600: OK, I think we had some grave misunderstandings here. 1. ad-hoc meetings *are not* and *were never meant to be* replacement for weekly meetings. Kolla community is single

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Ok, let me reverse this discussion. We think hangouts are exclusive, and irc is not? I've seen multiple times when people were waaay into discussion, lines of text swarming the screen, somebody from outside speaks up, entirely reasonable and on topic thing, but is ignored because other actors in

Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla][tc] Video Meetings - input requested

On 14/12/16 18:18, Michał Jastrzębski wrote: I agree that meeting notes are crucial to this type of meeting.I just say that gerrit PoC/demo is valid form of 'notes' if meeting was about some implementional detail, which I assume is the case for this type of meetings. Do we agree that as hoc

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t;openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> Subject:  Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla][tc] Video Meetings - input requested > I agree that meeting notes are crucial to this type of meeting.I just say > that gerrit PoC/demo is valid form of 'notes' if meeting was about some > implementional detail,

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I agree that meeting notes are crucial to this type of meeting.I just say that gerrit PoC/demo is valid form of 'notes' if meeting was about some implementional detail, which I assume is the case for this type of meetings. Do we agree that as hoc hangout meetings are acceptable form of

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On 2016-12-14 14:37:26 -0600 (-0600), Ian Cordasco wrote: > From: Michał Jastrzębski [...] > > Ian, you mentioned that gerrit as outcome of hangout violates 4 > > opens...how? > > The artifacts of any meeting should include meeting notes. IRC > meetings have this autogenerated

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t;openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> Subject:  Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla][tc] Video Meetings - input requested > OK, I think we had some grave misunderstandings here. > > 1. ad-hoc meetings *are not* and *were never meant to be* replacement > for weekly meetings. Kolla community

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Cordasco <sigmaviru...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: Ed Leafe <e...@leafe.com> > >> > Reply: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > >> > <openst

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>> Cheers, >> Michal >> >> On 14 December 2016 at 09:07, Ian Cordasco <sigmaviru...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Ed Leafe <e...@leafe.com> >> > Reply: OpenStack Development Mailing Li

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-Original Message- > > From: Ed Leafe <e...@leafe.com> > > Reply: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > > <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> > > Date: December 14, 2016 at 08:08:33 > > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usa

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;cools...@gmail.com> Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" < openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 3:22 AM To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" < openstack-dev@lists.ope

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.@leafe.com> > Reply: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> > Date: December 14, 2016 at 08:08:33 > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> >

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t;openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> Subject:  Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla][tc] Video Meetings - input requested > On Dec 14, 2016, at 7:45 AM, Ian Cordasco wrote: > > > > Taking you to the extreme of your statement, it seems there are several of > > these "ad hoc" > meeti

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On Dec 14, 2016, at 7:45 AM, Ian Cordasco wrote: > > Taking you to the extreme of your statement, it seems there are several of > these "ad hoc" meetings a week (by inc0's admission). The video meetings seem > to replace the time that sub-team is missing in the weekly

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On Dec 14, 2016, at 4:03 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > > Jeffrey took the hard step of raising > the issue, I don't think ignoring his point and pretending Hangout > meetings are just fine will get you anywhere. That is why I suggested a balanced approach. If the current

Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla][tc] Video Meetings - input requested

t;openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> Subject:  Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla][tc] Video Meetings - input requested > On Dec 12, 2016, at 10:30 PM, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote: > > > The issue raised is they violate the 4 opens. > > Not necessarily. If you have regular planning meetings

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uot; <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 3:22 AM To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla][tc] Video Meetings - input requested On Wed, D

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On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Ed Leafe wrote: >> On Dec 12, 2016, at 10:30 PM, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote: >> >>> The issue raised is they violate the 4 opens. >> >> Not necessarily. If you have regular planning meetings and

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Ed Leafe wrote: > On Dec 12, 2016, at 10:30 PM, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote: > >> The issue raised is they violate the 4 opens. > > Not necessarily. If you have regular planning meetings and discussions in an > open manner as prescribed, an occasional conference to discuss a

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> On Dec 13, 2016, at 19:43, Ed Leafe wrote: > > On Dec 12, 2016, at 10:30 PM, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote: > >> The issue raised is they violate the 4 opens. > > Not necessarily. If you have regular planning meetings and discussions in an > open manner as

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On Dec 12, 2016, at 10:30 PM, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote: > The issue raised is they violate the 4 opens. Not necessarily. If you have regular planning meetings and discussions in an open manner as prescribed, an occasional conference to discuss a particular matter is not a

Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla][tc] Video Meetings - input requested

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 8:33 PM, Michał Jastrzębski wrote: > I really fail to see how add hoc meetings, if link will be posted openly on > IRC, notes made public and invitation extended to everyone would violate 4 > opens. It's virtuality impossible in globally distributed

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I really fail to see how add hoc meetings, if link will be posted openly on IRC, notes made public and invitation extended to everyone would violate 4 opens. It's virtuality impossible in globally distributed project to have everyone interested around at all times. All decisions made will be

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On 12/13/2016 08:02 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Ed Leafe wrote: >> On Dec 12, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Jeffrey Zhang wrote: >> >>> Some contributors in kolla have had unscheduled video meetings. This has >>> resulted in complaints about inclusiveness. Some contributors can’t

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Ed Leafe wrote: > On Dec 12, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Jeffrey Zhang wrote: > >> Some contributors in kolla have had unscheduled video meetings. This has >> resulted in complaints about inclusiveness. Some contributors can’t even make >> the meeting we have, and another

Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla][tc] Video Meetings - input requested

I do not want to kill the ad hoc video meeting. But we should keep a certain degree of openness. what i would like to see is an invitation in email or irc channel. some agenda which tell others want will be talked. And some decision made in the video meeting should be record in some way. on eth

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On Dec 13, 2016 8:44 AM, "Michał Jastrzębski" wrote: I think video meetings Jeffrey is referring to are just that- quickly as hoc way to resolve some technical dispute or implementation. We did that few times to quickly work out kolla k8s issues. Hangouts are much more

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ck Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla][tc] Video Meetings - input requested I think video meetings Jeffrey is referring to are just that- quickly as hoc way to resolve some technical dispute or implementation.

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I think video meetings Jeffrey is referring to are just that- quickly as hoc way to resolve some technical dispute or implementation. We did that few times to quickly work out kolla k8s issues. Hangouts are much more efficient way of discussions like that. My take on the issue is that we should

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On Dec 12, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Jeffrey Zhang wrote: > Some contributors in kolla have had unscheduled video meetings. This has > resulted in complaints about inclusiveness. Some contributors can’t even make > the meeting we have, and another scheduled video meeting might

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On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 01:16:13AM +0800, Jeffrey Zhang wrote: > TC > ​, > ​ > Some contributors in kolla have had unscheduled video meetings. This has > resulted in complaints about inclusiveness. Some contributors can’t even > make > the meeting we have, and another scheduled video meeting might

[openstack-dev] [kolla][tc] Video Meetings - input requested

TC ​, ​ Some contributors in kolla have had unscheduled video meetings. This has resulted in complaints about inclusiveness. Some contributors can’t even make the meeting we have, and another scheduled video meeting might produce a situation in which there is no any record of decisions made during