[Openstack-operators] [tags] Ops-Data vs. Ops-Tags

2015-06-19 Thread Thierry Carrez
Hi! As promised in the Tags meeting, I bring the discussion on naming to the list. The OpenStack project structure reform that the Technical Committee drove over the past year introduced two concepts. The first one is the "big tent", the idea that we should consider as "OpenStack projects" all th

Re: [Openstack-operators] [tags] Ops-Data vs. Ops-Tags

2015-06-19 Thread Jay Pipes
On 06/19/2015 05:22 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: In conclusion, I'd like to suggest that you find an better name to describe this operational data about projects, because calling them "tags" or "labels" will be confusing in this two-step picture. My personal suggestion would be ops-data +1 -jay

Re: [Openstack-operators] [tags] Ops-Data vs. Ops-Tags

2015-06-28 Thread Subbu Allamaraju
Pardon me for being blunt, but I’m still confused why cycles are being spent on semantic wrangling. As you rightly point out, the term is subjective, and that’s the point. Is there a fear a single set of tags that include both dev and operational aspects confuse consumers of OpenStack? Please c

Re: [Openstack-operators] [tags] Ops-Data vs. Ops-Tags

2015-06-29 Thread Maish Saidel-Keesing
On 06/29/15 08:05, Subbu Allamaraju wrote: Pardon me for being blunt, but I’m still confused why cycles are being spent on semantic wrangling. As you rightly point out, the term is subjective, and that’s the point. Is there a fear a single set of tags that include both dev and operational asp

Re: [Openstack-operators] [tags] Ops-Data vs. Ops-Tags

2015-06-29 Thread Thierry Carrez
Subbu Allamaraju wrote: > Pardon me for being blunt, but I’m still confused why cycles are being spent > on semantic wrangling. As you rightly point out, the term is subjective, and > that’s the point. > > Is there a fear a single set of tags that include both dev and operational > aspects conf

Re: [Openstack-operators] [tags] Ops-Data vs. Ops-Tags

2015-06-29 Thread Thierry Carrez
Maish Saidel-Keesing wrote: > Specifically after the impression I got from the last meeting was that > the foundation envisioned these to be one and the same and not > differentiate between ops-tags and tags. Yes, we originally hoped the ops workgroup would be OK with reusing the simple tag frame

Re: [Openstack-operators] [tags] Ops-Data vs. Ops-Tags

2015-06-29 Thread Subbu Allamaraju
Thierry, People will starting calling "tc this" and "uc that" only if we present two sets of data. I think the right question to ask is why not present one unified set, which was my original understanding when I read your proposal last year. Subbu On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:14 AM, Thierry Carrez

Re: [Openstack-operators] [tags] Ops-Data vs. Ops-Tags

2015-06-29 Thread Thierry Carrez
Maish Saidel-Keesing wrote: > 14:26:52 that was my original understanding, we would have a tags > program and have different groups in the community contribute information > based on their expertise/experience > 14:27:06 but it's sounding more and more like two separate programs, > which is di

Re: [Openstack-operators] [tags] Ops-Data vs. Ops-Tags

2015-06-29 Thread Thierry Carrez
Subbu Allamaraju wrote: > People will starting calling "tc this" and "uc that" only if we present > two sets of data. I think the right question to ask is why not present > one unified set, which was my original understanding when I read your > proposal last year. Subbu, It was indeed our propos

Re: [Openstack-operators] [tags] Ops-Data vs. Ops-Tags

2015-06-29 Thread Subbu Allamaraju
Thierry, Thanks for clarifying in your replies to me and Maish: 1. Who is providing is not the issue, but the what is being provided is. 2. Irrespective of who is providing, there are two types of data - binary and structured. Given this, I don’t think there is any reason not to converge into

Re: [Openstack-operators] [tags] Ops-Data vs. Ops-Tags

2015-06-29 Thread Thierry Carrez
Subbu Allamaraju wrote: > Thierry, > > Thanks for clarifying in your replies to me and Maish: > > 1. Who is providing is not the issue, but the what is being provided is. > 2. Irrespective of who is providing, there are two types of data - binary and > structured. > > Given this, I don’t think