Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-31 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Oct 30 2007 16:46, Aaron Kulkis wrote: Because everyone knows that the disk drive/SATA-bus/controller/PCI-bus/DMA are the limiting factors in raw dd speed, so who cares how the kernel/app are compiled. But dd doesn't write to disk... it writes to buffers held in RAM, and then forgets

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-31 Thread James Knott
Aaron Kulkis wrote: Especially since currently, memory modules are still only 32 bits wide...motherboard manufacturers are at liberty to make the external data bus either 32 bits or 64 bits wide. ??? I thought memory was 64 bits wide these days. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR_SDRAM If

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-31 Thread Peter Cannon
Robert Lewis wrote: I recently bought a 64 bit machine and have 10.3 loaded . It seems very fast. I am trying to appraise if the advantages of having some software not work because of driver issues is worth it. I've just done a 64bit Boot test while it doesn't really answer your question it

[opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread Robert Lewis
I recently bought a 64 bit machine and have 10.3 loaded . It seems very fast. I am trying to appraise if the advantages of having some software not work because of driver issues is worth it. Has anyone run benchmarks on an identical system with 32 bit vrs 64 bit? Do we have a list of software

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread BandiPat
On Tuesday 30 October 2007, Robert Lewis wrote: I recently bought a 64 bit machine and have 10.3 loaded . It seems very fast. I am trying to appraise if the advantages of having some software not work because of driver issues is worth it. Has anyone run benchmarks on an identical system

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread Ness, Todd
On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 08:11 -0700, Robert Lewis wrote: I recently bought a 64 bit machine and have 10.3 loaded . It seems very fast. I am trying to appraise if the advantages of having some software not work because of driver issues is worth it. Has anyone run benchmarks on an identical

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread Patrick Shanahan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * BandiPat [EMAIL PROTECTED] [10-30-07 11:54]: [...] Moving to full 64bit should indeed be a better choice, you would think, yet many of apps plugins are still 32bit only. I believe that this is fluff and not fact. There are a few apps which

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread Robert Lewis
On 10/30/07, Patrick Shanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * BandiPat [EMAIL PROTECTED] [10-30-07 11:54]: [...] Moving to full 64bit should indeed be a better choice, you would think, yet many of apps plugins are still 32bit only. I believe

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Tuesday 30 October 2007 08:58, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * BandiPat [EMAIL PROTECTED] [10-30-07 11:54]: [...] Moving to full 64bit should indeed be a better choice, you would think, yet many of apps plugins are still 32bit only. I believe that this is fluff and not fact. There are a

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread Aaron Kulkis
Robert Lewis wrote: I recently bought a 64 bit machine and have 10.3 loaded . It seems very fast. I am trying to appraise if the advantages of having some software not work because of driver issues is worth it. Has anyone run benchmarks on an identical system with 32 bit vrs 64 bit? Do we

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread Russell Jones
Randall R Schulz wrote: On Tuesday 30 October 2007 08:58, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * BandiPat [EMAIL PROTECTED] [10-30-07 11:54]: [...] Moving to full 64bit should indeed be a better choice, you would think, yet many of apps plugins are still 32bit only. I believe that this

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Tuesday 30 October 2007 09:42, Russell Jones wrote: Randall R Schulz wrote: On Tuesday 30 October 2007 08:58, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * BandiPat [EMAIL PROTECTED] [10-30-07 11:54]: [...] Moving to full 64bit should indeed be a better choice, you would think, yet many of apps

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread Greg Freemyer
On 10/30/07, Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Lewis wrote: I recently bought a 64 bit machine and have 10.3 loaded . It seems very fast. I am trying to appraise if the advantages of having some software not work because of driver issues is worth it. Has anyone run

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Oct 30 2007 13:46, Greg Freemyer wrote: Surprisingly (to me at least) we are seeing a speed improvement with a specialized version of dd (dcfldd) going against raw disks. ie. dcfldd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc bs=4k and dcfldd if=/dev/sdc of=/dev/null bs=4k Bottleneck: Disk. You cannot really

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread Buddy Coffey
Has anyone run benchmarks on an identical system with 32 bit vrs 64 bit? Here is a benchmark of 32 bit vs 64 bit openSuSE 10.3 on a Core 2 Duo system. I have both 32 bit and 64 bit versions installed in separate partitions on the same system with all updates applied. I ran my

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread Aaron Kulkis
Greg Freemyer wrote: On 10/30/07, Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Lewis wrote: I recently bought a 64 bit machine and have 10.3 loaded . It seems very fast. I am trying to appraise if the advantages of having some software not work because of driver issues is worth it. Has

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread primm
Has anyone run benchmarks on an identical system with 32 bit vrs 64 bit? I only notice the difference when loading and editing big photos using gimp over nfs. Use 64 bit for nfs. Otherwise you can't tell. L x Hey, I replied to a message! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread BandiPat
On Tuesday 30 October 2007, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * BandiPat [EMAIL PROTECTED] [10-30-07 11:54]: [...] Moving to full 64bit should indeed be a better choice, you would think, yet many of apps plugins are still 32bit only. I believe that this is fluff and not fact. There are a few

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Oct 30 2007 14:42, Buddy Coffey wrote: Has anyone run benchmarks on an identical system with 32 bit vrs 64 bit? I have both 32 bit and 64 bit versions installed in separate partitions on the same system with all updates applied. I ran my computationally intensive code GEMACS

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread Greg Freemyer
On 10/30/07, Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg Freemyer wrote: On 10/30/07, Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Lewis wrote: I recently bought a 64 bit machine and have 10.3 loaded . It seems very fast. I am trying to appraise if the advantages of having some

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread Greg Freemyer
On 10/30/07, Jan Engelhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 30 2007 13:46, Greg Freemyer wrote: Surprisingly (to me at least) we are seeing a speed improvement with a specialized version of dd (dcfldd) going against raw disks. ie. dcfldd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc bs=4k and dcfldd

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread Frank Fiene
On Dienstag 30 Oktober 2007, Robert Lewis wrote: I recently bought a 64 bit machine and have 10.3 loaded . It seems very fast. I am trying to appraise if the advantages of having some software not work because of driver issues is worth it. I think also that 64bit software runs better on a

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Oct 30 2007 22:00, Frank Fiene wrote: On Dienstag 30 Oktober 2007, Robert Lewis wrote: I recently bought a 64 bit machine and have 10.3 loaded . It seems very fast. I am trying to appraise if the advantages of having some software not work because of driver issues is worth it. I think

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread Frank Fiene
On Dienstag 30 Oktober 2007, Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Oct 30 2007 22:00, Frank Fiene wrote: On Dienstag 30 Oktober 2007, Robert Lewis wrote: I recently bought a 64 bit machine and have 10.3 loaded . It seems very fast. I am trying to appraise if the advantages of having some software

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Oct 30 2007 22:30, Frank Fiene wrote: Funny thing: the driver connects to the backend via a socket, so this is bad designed Software which depends on the architecture, like 32bit mysql-client cannot connect to a 64bit mysql-server! :-( File a bug, then. :) Oh, i've spoken to Ludovic

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Tuesday 30 October 2007 14:24, Patrick Shanahan wrote: ... again, perception, not fact as Jan has noted. Jan's points have little to do with mine. Move twice as much data to perform a given task with the same bus and memory hardware will take twice as long. My points had nothing

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread Patrick Shanahan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Randall R Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [10-30-07 17:51]: Jan's points have little to do with mine. Move twice as much data to perform a given task with the same bus and memory hardware will take twice as long. but it's not the same bus My points

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Tuesday 30 October 2007 15:02, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Randall R Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [10-30-07 17:51]: Jan's points have little to do with mine. Move twice as much data to perform a given task with the same bus and memory hardware will take twice as long. but it's not the same

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Oct 30 2007 15:09, Randall R Schulz wrote: On Tuesday 30 October 2007 15:02, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Randall R Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [10-30-07 17:51]: Jan's points have little to do with mine. Move twice as much data to perform a given task with the same bus and memory hardware will

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread Ian Smith
On Tuesday 30 October 2007 08:11:08 Robert Lewis wrote: Has anyone run benchmarks on an identical system with 32 bit vrs 64 bit? Yes (a little). See: http://www.hermit.org/Linux/Benchmarking/ Ian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread BandiPat
On Tuesday 30 October 2007, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * BandiPat [EMAIL PROTECTED] [10-30-07 16:06]: True, Patrick, my thoughts are not due to actual experience with 64 bit hardware, but certainly it seems that most tests and articles to be found confirm no big improvement by using 64 bit

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread Aaron Kulkis
Randall R Schulz wrote: On Tuesday 30 October 2007 14:24, Patrick Shanahan wrote: ... again, perception, not fact as Jan has noted. Jan's points have little to do with mine. Move twice as much data to perform a given task with the same bus and memory hardware will take twice as long. My

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread Aaron Kulkis
Greg Freemyer wrote: On 10/30/07, Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg Freemyer wrote: On 10/30/07, Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Lewis wrote: I recently bought a 64 bit machine and have 10.3 loaded . It seems very fast. I am trying to appraise if the advantages of

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread Frank Fiene
On Dienstag 30 Oktober 2007, Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Oct 30 2007 22:30, Frank Fiene wrote: Funny thing: the driver connects to the backend via a socket, so this is bad designed Software which depends on the architecture, like 32bit mysql-client cannot connect to a 64bit mysql-server!

Re: [opensuse] 64 bit vrs 32 bit advantages speed etc.

2007-10-30 Thread Frank Fiene
On Mittwoch 31 Oktober 2007, Ian Smith wrote: On Tuesday 30 October 2007 08:11:08 Robert Lewis wrote: Has anyone run benchmarks on an identical system with 32 bit vrs 64 bit? Yes (a little). See: http://www.hermit.org/Linux/Benchmarking/ Hey, great benchmarks. As expected but