Re: [opensuse-factory] About ext3 as default and periodic fs checks

2006-11-03 Thread Alex
> > There is no _need_ to do so. It is just an extra level of safety to do > > regular checks to detect inconsistencies as early as possible. This is > > like doing backups: You don't _have_ to do them but it is generally > > considered a wise choice to do so. > >> that something might be wrong,

Re: [opensuse-factory] opensuse-updater questions

2006-11-03 Thread Alex
> You are expecting things from opensuse-updater that it doesn't do. > opensuse-updater does _not_ update every package to the most recent > version; it installs patches only (like the old SUSEwatcher did), so new > packages are pulled in only if they are part of a patch. The factory > tree does no

Re: [opensuse-factory] opensuse-updater questions

2006-11-03 Thread Andreas Hanke
Alex schrieb: > As a KDE user I have now once more trashed zmd and rug and want to use > opensuse-updater and libzypp direct. Version of opensuse-updater is 3.16, > libzypp and zypper are installed. > > 1. When configuring the applet, I just have the option to choose > between "Novell ZENWorks"

[opensuse-factory] opensuse-updater questions

2006-11-03 Thread Alex
As a KDE user I have now once more trashed zmd and rug and want to use opensuse-updater and libzypp direct. Version of opensuse-updater is 3.16, libzypp and zypper are installed. 1. When configuring the applet, I just have the option to choose between "Novell ZENWorks" and "Default". Where is l

Re: [opensuse-factory] Beta 1 and kde shutdown

2006-11-03 Thread Jim Pye
On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 01:23 +0100, Stephan Binner wrote: > On Thursday 02 November 2006 21:29, Jim Pye wrote: > > > https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=215688 > > Please add your vote to this bug > > Care to enlighten me about the sense to vote for a fixed bug? > > Bye, >Steve Steve

Re: [opensuse-factory] SPAM: factory-extra tree

2006-11-03 Thread Robert Schiele
On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 10:30:45PM +0100, Frederic wrote: > Hello, > > Where's located the factory-extra tree? You can find that stuff on ftp.suse.com and it's mirrors, not on the opensuse.org servers. If you want to know the reason you can subscribe to https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?i

[opensuse-factory] SPAM: factory-extra tree

2006-11-03 Thread Frederic
Hello, Where's located the factory-extra tree? Frédéric - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [opensuse-factory] About ext3 as default and periodic fs checks

2006-11-03 Thread Eberhard Moenkeberg
Hi, On Fri, 3 Nov 2006, Robert Schiele wrote: On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 09:07:13PM +0100, Alex wrote: I'm not a file system specialist and I don't want to become one, but why on earth has a file system in the 21st century to perform time consuming checks - with absolutely no other reasons for t

Re: [opensuse-factory] About ext3 as default and periodic fs checks

2006-11-03 Thread Robert Schiele
On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 09:07:13PM +0100, Alex wrote: > I'm not a file system specialist and I don't want to become one, but why on > earth has a file system in the 21st century to perform time consuming > checks - with absolutely no other reasons for this behaviour apart from the > fact that th

Re: [opensuse-factory] About ext3 as default and periodic fs checks

2006-11-03 Thread Alex
> > This is frighteningly true, here are 2 suggestions, > > we probably need them both. > > 1) While an fsck is occurring in non-verbose startup mode > > we need a message to that effect with a progress bar. > > 2) On shutdown; if a routine fsck WOULD happen next reboot, > > the OS asks if

Re: [opensuse-factory] tiny-nvidia-installer removed from factory

2006-11-03 Thread Greg KH
On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 05:24:48PM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > That does much of what Novell currently does with Nvidia. Novell pushes > > all of the burden of support, distribution, and legal issues onto > > Nvidia. > > Which brings us back to the question of what Novell's position is fo

Re: [opensuse-factory] tiny-nvidia-installer removed from factory

2006-11-03 Thread B . Weber
> That does much of what Novell currently does with Nvidia. Novell pushes > all of the burden of support, distribution, and legal issues onto > Nvidia. Which brings us back to the question of what Novell's position is for openSUSE compared with their position for SLE. > So again, Ubuntu is movin

Re: [opensuse-factory] tiny-nvidia-installer removed from factory

2006-11-03 Thread Greg KH
On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 12:55:50PM +, Francis Giannaros wrote: > To address a point made earlier: > > Greg KH wrote: > > Both of these are third party packages, Ubuntu was forced to stop > > shipping their pre-built packages a while ago for the obvious legal > > reasons. > > That's not true a

Re: [opensuse-factory] Insatiable zmd

2006-11-03 Thread Randall R Schulz
Martin, On Friday 03 November 2006 08:04, Martin Schlander wrote: > Fredag 03 november 2006 16:15 skrev Randall R Schulz: > > What is this thing, anyway? > > Where have you been for the last 7 months? Avoiding and ignoring all the brouhaha about the SNAFUs in 10.1, what do you think? > Here yo

Re: [opensuse-factory] Insatiable zmd

2006-11-03 Thread Randall R Schulz
Andreas, On Friday 03 November 2006 07:47, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > ... > > > Won't you fix this constant running? Surely that cannot be normal > > operation, can it? At this point, it has run up 340 minutes of CPU > > time. What's it doing with this interminable activity? > > This is a bug - so, p

Re: [opensuse-factory] Insatiable zmd

2006-11-03 Thread Martin Schlander
Fredag 03 november 2006 16:15 skrev Randall R Schulz: > What is this thing, anyway? Where have you been for the last 7 months? Here you can see the different parts of the packagemanagement in default 10.1+10.2 http://en.opensuse.org/Image:Package-management-in-code10.png And here is how it look

Re: [opensuse-factory] Insatiable zmd

2006-11-03 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Randall R Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Andreas, > > On Friday 03 November 2006 07:07, Andreas Jaeger wrote: >> Martin Schlander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > Fredag 03 november 2006 15:16 skrev Andreas Jaeger: >> >> > 1) Is zmd slated for replacement before 10.2 final arrives? >> >> >>

Re: [opensuse-factory] Insatiable zmd

2006-11-03 Thread Randall R Schulz
Andreas, On Friday 03 November 2006 07:07, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > Martin Schlander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Fredag 03 november 2006 15:16 skrev Andreas Jaeger: > >> > 1) Is zmd slated for replacement before 10.2 final arrives? > >> > >> No, it will be in 10.2. > > > > But you can remove it

Re: [opensuse-factory] Insatiable zmd

2006-11-03 Thread Randall R Schulz
Gaël, On Friday 03 November 2006 00:22, Gaël Lams wrote: > "/etc/init.d/novell-zmd stop" should be enough to stop it (+ insserv > -r novell-zmd) % /etc/init.d/novell-zmd stop Shutting down ZENworks Management Daemonfailed The process is still there, but it is no longer consuming CPU cycl

Re: [opensuse-factory] Insatiable zmd

2006-11-03 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Martin Schlander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Fredag 03 november 2006 15:16 skrev Andreas Jaeger: >> > 1) Is zmd slated for replacement before 10.2 final arrives? >> >> No, it will be in 10.2. > > But you can remove it manually. And you will not lose any functionality as > zypper and opensuse-up

Re: [opensuse-factory] Insatiable zmd

2006-11-03 Thread Martin Schlander
Fredag 03 november 2006 15:16 skrev Andreas Jaeger: > > 1) Is zmd slated for replacement before 10.2 final arrives? > > No, it will be in 10.2. But you can remove it manually. And you will not lose any functionality as zypper and opensuse-updater can replace rug and zen-updater respectively. It

Re: [opensuse-factory] tiny-nvidia-installer removed from factory

2006-11-03 Thread Stefan Dirsch
On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 01:22:30PM +0100, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote: > Stefan Dirsch wrote: > > Thanks for heading this issue in a constructive direction. Could you > > add some pointers to the reversed engineer driver for NVIDIA GPUs? I > > possibly add it to 10.2 as optional driver for testing

Re: [opensuse-factory] Insatiable zmd

2006-11-03 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Randall R Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Cristian, > > On Thursday 02 November 2006 12:27, Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote: >> Randall R Schulz wrote: >> > Is it normal for this process to run on and on like this? >> >> Is expected but not normal...it is just another sign that zmd should >> be "

Re: [opensuse-factory] tiny-nvidia-installer removed from factory

2006-11-03 Thread Francis Giannaros
To address a point made earlier: Greg KH wrote: > Both of these are third party packages, Ubuntu was forced to stop > shipping their pre-built packages a while ago for the obvious legal > reasons. That's not true at all (see http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/x11/nvidia-glx ). That is the package f

Re: [opensuse-factory] tiny-nvidia-installer removed from factory

2006-11-03 Thread Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
Stefan Dirsch wrote: > Thanks for heading this issue in a constructive direction. Could you > add some pointers to the reversed engineer driver for NVIDIA GPUs? I > possibly add it to 10.2 as optional driver for testing purposes. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ is the main address. Excerpt f

Re: [opensuse-factory] tiny-nvidia-installer removed from factory

2006-11-03 Thread Stefan Dirsch
On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 10:32:03AM +0100, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote: > James Ogley wrote: > >> I agree, this is their problem, not ours. They know exactly what they > >> must do to solve this issue, there is nothing that we can do. > > > > Greg, are you calling on nVidia to GPL their driver co

SPAM: Re: [opensuse-factory] About ext3 as default and periodic fs checks

2006-11-03 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
> That was the main reason I went to reiserfs from ext2, fsck.ext2 of a > 20G drive was painful back then, 10x20G, I'd need to power up just > before going to bed. Precisely. Ext2 was and is pretty much useless on large filesystems because one needs to take a day off work every 20 boots. With r

SPAM: Re: [opensuse-factory] tiny-nvidia-installer removed from factory

2006-11-03 Thread Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
James Ogley wrote: >> I agree, this is their problem, not ours. They know exactly what they >> must do to solve this issue, there is nothing that we can do. > > Greg, are you calling on nVidia to GPL their driver code? If so, have > you contacted them directly and is there a formal way in which

[opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] obviously not, so I`ll try again

2006-11-03 Thread Cristian Rodriguez R.
Detlef Steuer wrote: > so I´ll try again: > > Hi, > > what do others think of yesterday´s deal? Bussiness as usual.. > How do you feel? I feel this can be a good thing , but probably unlikely to affect us, nor the buildservice , probably we will not notice any difference. A (very unusual)

Re: [opensuse-factory] speed impression on firefox 2

2006-11-03 Thread Wolfgang Rosenauer
Dominique Leuenberger wrote: > That was the one I did not think of (I think up to now it was always > 'disable' by default. > Strangely, I am NOT able to change it using the GUI (by going to edit > preferences connection, I just get an error. That error is fixed for beta2 and with the packages a

Re: [opensuse-factory] Insatiable zmd

2006-11-03 Thread Gaël Lams
Hi, 2) What is the proper way to deal with this? This instance of zmd has now been running for 8 hours and has consumed over 120m of CPU time. Should I kill it? Is there an init task I should disable to make it go away permanently? "/etc/init.d/novell-zmd stop" should be enough to stop it (+ i