Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-19 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 08:40:29AM +0200, Ulrich Windl wrote: > On 18 May 2006 at 19:35, Marcus Meissner wrote: > > > On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 08:31:55PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote: > > > On Thursday 18 May 2006 20:31, Marcus Meissner wrote: > > > > Also, if you now install a package it will check

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-18 Thread Ulrich Windl
On 18 May 2006 at 19:35, Marcus Meissner wrote: > On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 08:31:55PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote: > > On Thursday 18 May 2006 20:31, Marcus Meissner wrote: > > > Also, if you now install a package it will check if there is a > > > security update and retrieve and install the fixed p

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-18 Thread Ulrich Windl
On 18 May 2006 at 19:31, Marcus Meissner wrote: [...] > Also, if you now install a package it will check if there is a security update > and retrieve and install the fixed package instead. Also this is how things work in HP-UX: They add patches to the media which contains the products. Installat

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-18 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
> Without an internet connection, the package manager wouldn't know about > available updates, right? Without a *network* connection (unless you have specially prepared media). The whole of the "internet" could be that box dishing out a copy of the updates from the other end of that 1m cable, alt

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-18 Thread Andras Mantia
On Thursday 18 May 2006 21:31, Hartmut Meyer wrote: > Without an internet connection, the package manager wouldn't know > about available updates, right? Imagine the following situation: you used the online update, but did not install e.g the Opera patch. The package manager knows about the Opera

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-18 Thread Hartmut Meyer
Hi, Am Donnerstag, 18. Mai 2006 19:35 schrieb Marcus Meissner: > On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 08:30:51PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote: > > On Thursday 18 May 2006 20:31, Marcus Meissner wrote: > > > Also, if you now install a package it will check if there is a > > > security update and retrieve and inst

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-18 Thread houghi
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 08:29:43PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote: > 1) You anyway need to release a new version for each SUSE release, so > you could get the ISO name and hardcode into the script. ;-) I will then miss some ISO names (SLES and so on) and it will become HUGE. > 2) create a config fi

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-18 Thread Andras Mantia
On Thursday 18 May 2006 20:35, Marcus Meissner wrote: > On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 08:31:55PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote: > > On Thursday 18 May 2006 20:31, Marcus Meissner wrote: > > > Also, if you now install a package it will check if there is a > > > security update and retrieve and install the fi

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-18 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 07:34:24PM +0200, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote: > Marcus Meissner wrote: > > > > Also, if you now install a package it will check if there is a security > > update > > and retrieve and install the fixed package instead. > > Now that is definitely great! Is this also possi

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-18 Thread Eberhard Moenkeberg
Hi, On Thu, 18 May 2006, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote: Marcus Meissner wrote: Also, if you now install a package it will check if there is a security update and retrieve and install the fixed package instead. Now that is definitely great! Is this also possible during installation? Let me

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-18 Thread Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
Marcus Meissner wrote: > > Also, if you now install a package it will check if there is a security update > and retrieve and install the fixed package instead. Now that is definitely great! Is this also possible during installation? Regards, Carl-Daniel -- http://www.hailfinger.org/ -

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-18 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 08:30:51PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote: > On Thursday 18 May 2006 20:31, Marcus Meissner wrote: > > Also, if you now install a package it will check if there is a > > security update and retrieve and install the fixed package instead. > > Is this silently done? Yes. > What

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-18 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 08:31:55PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote: > On Thursday 18 May 2006 20:31, Marcus Meissner wrote: > > Also, if you now install a package it will check if there is a > > security update and retrieve and install the fixed package instead. > > I was too quick as I have a 3rd ques

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-18 Thread Andras Mantia
On Thursday 18 May 2006 20:31, Marcus Meissner wrote: > Also, if you now install a package it will check if there is a > security update and retrieve and install the fixed package instead. I was too quick as I have a 3rd question as well: does it retrieve the full package from the update mirror o

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-18 Thread Andras Mantia
On Thursday 18 May 2006 20:31, Marcus Meissner wrote: > Also, if you now install a package it will check if there is a > security update and retrieve and install the fixed package instead. Is this silently done? What happens if you don't have an internet connection at install time? Andras -- Q

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-18 Thread Andras Mantia
On Wednesday 17 May 2006 18:06, houghi wrote: > Also it might be that there is no CD[1-5] because they use a DVD, or > nameing changes with a next version, or people use real CDs. > I also do not have the names of all ISOs available from SUSE. 1) You anyway need to release a new version for each S

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-18 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 07:26:58PM +0200, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, 18 May 2006, houghi wrote: > >On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 06:56:08PM +0200, Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett wrote: > >>On Wednesday 17 May 2006 18:44, jdd wrote: > >>>Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: > > But you can click 'em

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-18 Thread Eberhard Moenkeberg
Hi, On Thu, 18 May 2006, houghi wrote: On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 06:56:08PM +0200, Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett wrote: On Wednesday 17 May 2006 18:44, jdd wrote: Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: But you can click 'em to force installation. what can a patch do if the main file is not installed? jdd (cur

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-18 Thread houghi
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 06:56:08PM +0200, Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett wrote: > On Wednesday 17 May 2006 18:44, jdd wrote: > > Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: > > > But you can click 'em to force installation. > > > > what can a patch do if the main file is not installed? > > jdd (curious :-) > > install the

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-18 Thread Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett
On Wednesday 17 May 2006 18:44, jdd wrote: > Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: > > But you can click 'em to force installation. > > what can a patch do if the main file is not installed? > jdd (curious :-) install the packages Duncan -

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-17 Thread jdd
Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: So just believe me. ;-)) I always do :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-17 Thread Eberhard Moenkeberg
Hi, On Wed, 17 May 2006, jdd wrote: Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: But you can click 'em to force installation. what can a patch do if the main file is not installed? YOU has "full" RPMs also. jdd (curious :-) So just believe me. ;-)) Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED],

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-17 Thread jdd
Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: But you can click 'em to force installation. what can a patch do if the main file is not installed? jdd (curious :-) -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_p

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-17 Thread Eberhard Moenkeberg
Hi, On Wed, 17 May 2006, Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett wrote: On Wednesday 17 May 2006 10:48, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote: Christoph Thiel wrote: It even shows the patches if opera and pdns are *not* installed. but then they are not selected for installation But you can click 'em to force inst

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-17 Thread Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett
On Wednesday 17 May 2006 10:48, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote: > Christoph Thiel wrote: > It even shows the patches if opera and pdns are *not* installed. but then they are not selected for installation - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-17 Thread houghi
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 05:31:00PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote: > On Tuesday 16 May 2006 20:06, houghi wrote: > > I am trying to figure out a foolproof way to get this done right. > > Doing the copying in 'normal' order instead of reverse is not a > > foolproof way. > > First copy the ISOs that are

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-17 Thread Andras Mantia
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 20:06, houghi wrote: > I am trying to figure out a foolproof way to get this done right. > Doing the copying in 'normal' order instead of reverse is not a > foolproof way. First copy the ISOs that are not labeled CD1...5 and later the CD1...5 in reverse order. I'm sure it c

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-17 Thread Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
Christoph Thiel wrote: > On Tue, 16 May 2006, Marcus Meissner wrote: > >>> I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are there >>> any updates available at this moment? If I start the "Online update" >>> from Yast, it says no patches available. >> There should be an opera and a

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread houghi
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 09:10:09PM +0200, jdd wrote: > houghi wrote: > > >And now you have lost me completely, even the word makes sense now. > > when you setup an install source for yast, you can use yast > to copy the cd content to the same directory, but you also > can just copy the content

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Eberhard Moenkeberg
Hi, On Tue, 16 May 2006, Andras Mantia wrote: On Tuesday 16 May 2006 23:08, Anders Johansson wrote: Well, I said it was a first try. I'm not sure yet how the new libzypp stuff works. but hm, have you tried restarting zmd (rczmd restart)? Just in case it's cached, I mean (does "rug products"

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Andras Mantia
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 23:08, Anders Johansson wrote: > Well, I said it was a first try. I'm not sure yet how the new libzypp > stuff works. > > but hm, have you tried restarting zmd (rczmd restart)? Just in case > it's cached, I mean (does "rug products" show add-on as installed?) > > I can't find

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Anders Johansson
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 19:59, Andras Mantia wrote: > I can remove it (I have only one referring to add-on), but I assume it > needs to be replaced with a file from a "clean" 10.1 install. I tested, > it's not enough to remove it. Well, I said it was a first try. I'm not sure yet how the new libzyp

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread jdd
houghi wrote: And now you have lost me completely, even the word makes sense now. when you setup an install source for yast, you can use yast to copy the cd content to the same directory, but you also can just copy the content of any and all the cd on the same directory under subdirectories

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread houghi
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 08:51:10PM +0200, jdd wrote: > houghi wrote: > >On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 08:18:12PM +0200, jdd wrote: > > > >>houghi wrote: > >> > >> > >>>I am trying to figure out a foolproof way to get this done right. Doing > >>>the copying in 'normal' order instead of reverse is not a fo

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread jdd
Andras Mantia wrote: On Tuesday 16 May 2006 17:08, Marcus Meissner wrote: Check the configured Update Server by hand please, if it has the pathces already. Perhaps it is behind in time :/ I would if I would know where to check it. ;-) As I wrote in the original mail, the config dialogs in Y

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread jdd
houghi wrote: On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 08:18:12PM +0200, jdd wrote: houghi wrote: I am trying to figure out a foolproof way to get this done right. Doing the copying in 'normal' order instead of reverse is not a foolproof way. I didn't test it with dvd, but when using a gard drive as sourc

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread houghi
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 08:18:12PM +0200, jdd wrote: > houghi wrote: > > >I am trying to figure out a foolproof way to get this done right. Doing > >the copying in 'normal' order instead of reverse is not a foolproof way. > > I didn't test it with dvd, but when using a gard drive as > source, ya

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread jdd
Andras Mantia wrote: - adding it took lot of time any open of change source or install software takes hours... this is the main problem with net install, there as quite frequent packages updates, so the refresh is necessary (if you don't, the dowloading of packages fails). I know no solut

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread jdd
houghi wrote: I am trying to figure out a foolproof way to get this done right. Doing the copying in 'normal' order instead of reverse is not a foolproof way. I didn't test it with dvd, but when using a gard drive as source, yast is able to see the cd's as "disk1, disk2..." may be this coul

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Andras Mantia
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 20:51, Anders Johansson wrote: > On Tuesday 16 May 2006 19:34, Andras Mantia wrote: > > On Tuesday 16 May 2006 20:29, Anders Johansson wrote: > > > On Tuesday 16 May 2006 19:22, Cord Walter wrote: > > > > > If you had the Add On CD in the DVD, then this will happen. > > > > >

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Anders Johansson
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 19:34, Andras Mantia wrote: > On Tuesday 16 May 2006 20:29, Anders Johansson wrote: > > On Tuesday 16 May 2006 19:22, Cord Walter wrote: > > > > If you had the Add On CD in the DVD, then this will happen. > > > > > > That's the case with my installation. Is there a workaround

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Andras Mantia
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 20:29, Anders Johansson wrote: > On Tuesday 16 May 2006 19:22, Cord Walter wrote: > > > If you had the Add On CD in the DVD, then this will happen. > > > > That's the case with my installation. Is there a workaround? > > As I didn't use the addon when installing I can't reall

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Anders Johansson
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 19:22, Cord Walter wrote: > > If you had the Add On CD in the DVD, then this will happen. > > That's the case with my installation. Is there a workaround? As I didn't use the addon when installing I can't really test this, but have you tried going to /var/lib/zypp/db/produc

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Cord Walter
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marcus Meissner wrote: > On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 03:31:47PM +0100, Karsten Ehrig wrote: >> Kenneth Schneider wrote: >>> On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 15:36 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote: >>> On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 03:50:21PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote: >>

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread houghi
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 07:28:43PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote: > On Tuesday 16 May 2006 17:42, Marcus Meissner wrote: > > > I've updated RC3-->GM via a DVD created with makeSuSEdvd (v. 0.30) > > > and the "Online Update Configuration" failed with the message "No > > > products to register.". > > >

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Andras Mantia
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 19:32, Andras Mantia wrote: > On Tuesday 16 May 2006 17:13, Marcus Meissner wrote: > > YaST2 -> Change Installation Source. It should list at least 1 > > remote Update Mirror ;) > > Hm, I have only the local cd:/// entry... Should this remote > repository added by the install

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Karsten Ehrig
Andras Mantia wrote: > On Tuesday 16 May 2006 17:42, Marcus Meissner wrote: > >>> I've updated RC3-->GM via a DVD created with makeSuSEdvd (v. 0.30) >>> and the "Online Update Configuration" failed with the message "No >>> products to register.". >>> >> If you had the Add On CD in the DVD

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Andras Mantia
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 17:13, Marcus Meissner wrote: > YaST2 -> Change Installation Source. It should list at least 1 remote > Update Mirror ;) Hm, I have only the local cd:/// entry... Should this remote repository added by the installer automatically or I should put it in manually? Andras --

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Andras Mantia
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 17:42, Marcus Meissner wrote: > > I've updated RC3-->GM via a DVD created with makeSuSEdvd (v. 0.30) > > and the "Online Update Configuration" failed with the message "No > > products to register.". > > If you had the Add On CD in the DVD, then this will happen. Hm, I also p

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 03:31:47PM +0100, Karsten Ehrig wrote: > Kenneth Schneider wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 15:36 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote: > > > >> On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 03:50:21PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> I'm officially confused by the new way

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Karsten Ehrig
Kenneth Schneider wrote: > On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 15:36 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote: > >> On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 03:50:21PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are there >>> any updates available at this moment? If I s

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Kenneth Schneider
On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 15:36 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote: > On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 03:50:21PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are there > > any updates available at this moment? If I start the "Online update" > > from Yast,

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 05:07:57PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote: > On Tuesday 16 May 2006 17:08, Marcus Meissner wrote: > > Check the configured Update Server by hand please, if it has the > > pathces already. Perhaps it is behind in time :/ > > I would if I would know where to check it. ;-) As I wr

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Andras Mantia
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 17:08, Marcus Meissner wrote: > Check the configured Update Server by hand please, if it has the > pathces already. Perhaps it is behind in time :/ I would if I would know where to check it. ;-) As I wrote in the original mail, the config dialogs in Yast are not really work

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 05:04:26PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote: > On Tuesday 16 May 2006 16:40, Christoph Thiel wrote: > > On Tue, 16 May 2006, Marcus Meissner wrote: > > > > I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are > > > > there any updates available at this moment? If I star

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Andras Mantia
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 16:40, Christoph Thiel wrote: > On Tue, 16 May 2006, Marcus Meissner wrote: > > > I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are > > > there any updates available at this moment? If I start the > > > "Online update" from Yast, it says no patches available. >

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread jdd
Kenneth Schneider wrote: Which leads to why it is -not- called "Automatic Online Update Setup" and avoid the confusion. Perhaps it is a language translation thing. on french, "online update configuration" is not translated at all. jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Christoph Thiel
On Tue, 16 May 2006, Marcus Meissner wrote: > > I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are there > > any updates available at this moment? If I start the "Online update" > > from Yast, it says no patches available. > > There should be an opera and a pdns security patch. ..

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 03:50:21PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote: > Hi, > > I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are there > any updates available at this moment? If I start the "Online update" > from Yast, it says no patches available. There should be an opera and a pdns s

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Kenneth Schneider
On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 15:50 +0300, Andras Mantia wrote: > Hi, > > I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are there > any updates available at this moment? If I start the "Online update" > from Yast, it says no patches available. > I tried to see how can I configure the onli

Re: [opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Cord Walter
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andras Mantia wrote: > > Does online update work for anyone or this is just a plain bug and I > should report. Same here... > > I used 10.1-GM, from a DVD created with makeSUSEdvd 0.29 (and yes, I get > a signing error). I updated an RC2 system

[opensuse-factory] Online update issue

2006-05-16 Thread Andras Mantia
Hi, I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are there any updates available at this moment? If I start the "Online update" from Yast, it says no patches available. I tried to see how can I configure the online update. To my surprise there are two entries called "Online Upda