Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-23 Thread Peter Schwindt
Am 22.05.13 21:11, schrieb Peter Saint-Andre: Well, xmpp has moved alot since 2005. caps, pubsub, pep, carbons, s2s-tls, compression, jingle... gtalk hasn't. So breaking up was a reasonable thing to do. There's a song in there somewhere. ;-) 50 ways to leave your lover? ;-)

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-22 Thread Philipp Hancke
On Wed, 22 May 2013, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On the other hand, not needing to interoperate with Google Talk might free us to more aggressively work on network security improvements. I say let's take this as an opportunity rather than a disappointment. +1. I wonder what the correlation

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-22 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On May 22, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On the other hand, not needing to interoperate with Google Talk might free us to more aggressively work on network security improvements. I say let's take this as an opportunity rather than

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-22 Thread Kim Alvefur
On 2013-05-22 18:22, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: PS: I am wondering whether the claimed chat spam problems mentioned in the press articles are actually true? It matches what was said before, search this list for spammy invites. -- Kim signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-22 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 5/22/13 10:32 AM, Kim Alvefur wrote: On 2013-05-22 18:22, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: PS: I am wondering whether the claimed chat spam problems mentioned in the press articles are actually true? It matches what was said before, search this list

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-22 Thread Matthew Wild
On 22 May 2013 16:02, Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im wrote: On the other hand, not needing to interoperate with Google Talk might free us to more aggressively work on network security improvements. I say let's take this as an opportunity rather than a disappointment. Agreed. We're

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-22 Thread michael p
I dont think it matters if they were true or not- Google and every other walled garden uses spam as an excuse, and a poor excuse at that. Anybody can cut down on spam by reducing access- real programmers/engineers/admins accept the challenge of providing quality, open systems. This whole move

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-22 Thread Nigel Kukard
On 05/22/2013 04:47 PM, michael p wrote: I dont think it matters if they were true or not- Google and every other walled garden uses spam as an excuse, and a poor excuse at that. Anybody can cut down on spam by reducing access- real programmers/engineers/admins accept the challenge of

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-22 Thread Olle E. Johansson
22 maj 2013 kl. 18:40 skrev Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im: In any case, I say let's continue to focus on improving XMPP. When people get sick of all these silos again, as I expect they will, we'll be ready. In the Stockholm Internet Forum today, it was highlighted that almost all

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-22 Thread Dave Cridland
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Kim Alvefur z...@zash.se wrote: On 2013-05-22 18:22, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: PS: I am wondering whether the claimed chat spam problems mentioned in the press articles are actually true? It matches what was said before, search this list for spammy invites.

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-22 Thread Kim Alvefur
On 2013-05-22 19:54, Dave Cridland wrote: On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Kim Alvefur z...@zash.se wrote: On 2013-05-22 18:22, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: PS: I am wondering whether the claimed chat spam problems mentioned in the press articles are actually true? It matches what was said

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-22 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 5/22/13 12:27 PM, Philipp Hancke wrote: Am 22.05.2013 18:40, schrieb Peter Saint-Andre: I think it was a bit over-the-top for Chee Chew to claim that the majority of the server-to-server connectivity to the Google Talk service was established

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-22 Thread Philipp Hancke
Am 22.05.2013 20:30, schrieb Peter Saint-Andre: So the protocol isn't as rich as they want... guess they haven't understood the x part in xmpp. Well, I see no reason for us to act the jilted lover. :-) We had an on-and-off affair (2005-2013) but XMPP predated Google Talk and now we start the

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-22 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 5/22/13 1:09 PM, Philipp Hancke wrote: Am 22.05.2013 20:30, schrieb Peter Saint-Andre: So the protocol isn't as rich as they want... guess they haven't understood the x part in xmpp. Well, I see no reason for us to act the jilted lover. :-) We had an on-and-off affair (2005-2013) but XMPP

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-20 Thread David Mohr
As of today my client can't connect anymore (though I can't rule out that's only a temporary situation). Sad :-( ~David On 2013-05-19 21:17, Peter Kieser wrote: I can no longer send or receive messages to people that have updated to Google Hangouts. It shows them as being online, and

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-20 Thread Simone Marzona
On Thu, 2013-05-16 at 12:52 -0300, Sebastián Odena wrote: Does somebody have any news about google abandoning XMPP protocol? mm... I think that the party is quite over...

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-20 Thread Simone Marzona
On Mon, 2013-05-20 at 13:29 -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Their party, yes. That doesn't mean we need to stop having fun with open technologies. ;-) Vangelo fratello! (cit.) by -- Simone Marzona Linux registered user number: 509183 PGP key ID: 1024D/36F88CC3 Battlestar Galactica -

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-20 Thread Kim Alvefur
On 2013-05-20 21:41, Simone Marzona wrote: Battlestar Galactica - Intro: ...They look and feel human, some are programmed to think they are human there are many copies... ...and they have a plan. This feels more appropriate: All this has happened before. All this will happen again.

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-20 Thread Santiago26
According to my experience, S2S (and x...@gmail.com at all) is still working right now. I'm able to send messages from different servers to acco...@gmail.com. I also may connect to my gmail-account using any xmpp client. I just not use new Hangouts client and everything is ok. May be you have to

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-19 Thread Peter Kieser
I can no longer send or receive messages to people that have updated to Google Hangouts. It shows them as being online, and messages are successfully sent but they are not received by either party. -Peter On 2013-05-16 9:12 AM, Dave Cridland wrote: The best information I've been given is that

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-16 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 5/16/13 10:23 AM, Jonas Wielicki wrote: On the plus side, this means there's no reason not to require TLS now. On the minus side, one of the most convincing arguments for peering to people using XMPP (“you're already using it”) is kinda gone.