Re: [OPSAWG] Detangling - Q3: Publish TACACS+ as a standards track RFC?

2016-02-15 Thread Tassos Chatzithomaoglou
Yes -- Tassos Warren Kumari wrote on 15/2/16 22:16: > This is the third of 3 messages to determine what the OpsAWG should do with > TACACS+. > > If the answer to the previous question is yes, should the RFC describing the > protocol itself (as opposed to any other document that might describe

Re: [OPSAWG] Detangling - Q2: Publish TACACS+ as a RFC?

2016-02-15 Thread Tassos Chatzithomaoglou
Yes! -- Tassos Warren Kumari wrote on 15/2/16 22:14: > Dear OpsAWG: > > This is the second of three messages [0] to determine what the OpsAWG should > do with TACACS+ > > Should the ID, as presented, or as revised by the WG, be published as one or > more RFCs? > > Scott, Tianran and Warren > >

Re: [OPSAWG] TACACS+, a suggestion

2016-02-15 Thread joel jaeggli
We have strayed away from the work at hand, and I don't see this line of discussion getting more appropriate. thanks joel On 2/15/16 7:35 AM, Alan DeKok wrote: > On Feb 15, 2016, at 5:07 AM, heasley wrote: >> >> Seems that in the time bikeshedding, this could have already been in WGLC. >> Outsta

Re: [OPSAWG] Detangling - Q2: Publish TACACS+ as a RFC?

2016-02-15 Thread Melinda Shore
I'm a little concerned that what's taking place has the appearance of voting, and I hope that the minority viewpoint will be weighed on its merit. That said, I think it's very clearly the case that TACACS+ ought to be published (indeed, probably needs to be published) given its ubiquity and our i

Re: [OPSAWG] automatic attachment of applications and services at the edge

2016-02-15 Thread joel jaeggli
Am I correct in understanding that the goal is to not have to implment spb on the client device? so this takes the place of an isis implementation that would do the signaling per 802.1aq. On 2/15/16 7:09 AM, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > Hi, > > > > I would like to draw the attention of the pa

Re: [OPSAWG] Detangling - Q3: Publish TACACS+ as a standards track RFC?

2016-02-15 Thread Robert Drake
On 2/15/2016 3:16 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: This is the third of 3 messages to determine what the OpsAWG should do with TACACS+. If the answer to the previous question is yes, should the RFC describing the protocol itself (as opposed to any other document that might describe appropriate use)

Re: [OPSAWG] appeal on adoption of draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-00.txt as an opsawg topic

2016-02-15 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2/15/16 3:16 PM, Bradner, Scott wrote: > ps - the session was in the ops area meeting, which is why the minutes are > not on the opsawg list Joint meetings have the property of occupying one slot. that may be a tooling problem but satisfies the proceedings reporting in it's current form. > S

Re: [OPSAWG] Detangling - Q2: Publish TACACS+ as a RFC?

2016-02-15 Thread Robert Drake
On 2/15/2016 3:14 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: Dear OpsAWG: This is the second of three messages [0] to determine what the OpsAWG should do with TACACS+ Should the ID, as presented, or as revised by the WG, be published as one or more RFCs? Yes Scott, Tianran and Warren [0]: The first on

Re: [OPSAWG] appeal on adoption of draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-00.txt as an opsawg topic

2016-02-15 Thread Bradner, Scott
ps - the session was in the ops area meeting, which is why the minutes are not on the opsawg list Scott > On Feb 15, 2016, at 5:33 PM, Alan DeKok wrote: > > Some corrections. > > On Feb 12, 2016, at 11:46 AM, Bradner, Scott wrote: >> The topics of the appeal and other messages from Mr. DeKo

Re: [OPSAWG] Detangling - Q3: Publish TACACS+ as a standards track RFC?

2016-02-15 Thread Randy Bush
> If the answer to the previous question is yes, should the RFC > describing the protocol itself (as opposed to any other document that > might describe appropriate use) be published as a standards track RFC? it is a deployed and widely used protocol. this question is silly. of course it should

Re: [OPSAWG] Detangling - Q2: Publish TACACS+ as a RFC?

2016-02-15 Thread Randy Bush
> Should the ID, as presented, or as revised by the WG, be published as one > or more RFCs? tacacs+ as we know and use it today should be ps today future work good and should be encouraged. randy ___ OPSAWG mailing list OPSAWG@ietf.org https://www.iet

Re: [OPSAWG] appeal on adoption of draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-00.txt as an opsawg topic

2016-02-15 Thread Bradner, Scott
the minutes (such as they are) are included in the proceedings https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-opsarea Scott > On Feb 15, 2016, at 5:33 PM, Alan DeKok wrote: > > Some corrections. > > On Feb 12, 2016, at 11:46 AM, Bradner, Scott wrote: >> The topics of the appeal and

Re: [OPSAWG] appeal on adoption of draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-00.txt as an opsawg topic

2016-02-15 Thread Alan DeKok
Some corrections. On Feb 12, 2016, at 11:46 AM, Bradner, Scott wrote: > The topics of the appeal and other messages from Mr. DeKok included: > 1/ The adoption of the TACACS+ Internet Draft as a working group item. My appeal concerned the *process* of adoption as a WG item. > 2/ The appropri

Re: [OPSAWG] Detangling - Q2: Publish TACACS+ as a RFC?

2016-02-15 Thread Eliot Lear
On 2/15/16 9:14 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: > Dear OpsAWG: > > This is the second of three messages [0] to determine what the OpsAWG > should do with TACACS+ > > Should the ID, as presented, or as revised by the WG, be published as > one or more RFCs? Yes, for reasons previously stated. Eliot s

Re: [OPSAWG] Detangling - Q3: Publish TACACS+ as a standards track RFC?

2016-02-15 Thread Edwin Mallette
Yes. From: OPSAWG on behalf of Warren Kumari Date: Monday, February 15, 2016 at 12:16 PM To: "opsawg@ietf.org" Subject: [OPSAWG] Detangling - Q3: Publish TACACS+ as a standards track RFC? This is the third of 3 messages to determine what the OpsAWG should do with TACACS+. If the answer to

Re: [OPSAWG] Detangling - Q2: Publish TACACS+ as a RFC?

2016-02-15 Thread Edwin Mallette
Yes. From: OPSAWG on behalf of Warren Kumari Date: Monday, February 15, 2016 at 12:14 PM To: "opsawg@ietf.org" Subject: [OPSAWG] Detangling - Q2: Publish TACACS+ as a RFC? Dear OpsAWG: This is the second of three messages [0] to determine what the OpsAWG should do with TACACS+ Should the

Re: [OPSAWG] Detangling - Q3: Publish TACACS+ as a standards track RFC?

2016-02-15 Thread Joe Clarke
On 2/15/16 15:16, Warren Kumari wrote: This is the third of 3 messages to determine what the OpsAWG should do with TACACS+. If the answer to the previous question is yes, should the RFC describing the protocol itself (as opposed to any other document that might describe appropriate use) be publi

Re: [OPSAWG] Detangling - Q2: Publish TACACS+ as a RFC?

2016-02-15 Thread Joe Clarke
On 2/15/16 15:14, Warren Kumari wrote: Dear OpsAWG: This is the second of three messages [0] to determine what the OpsAWG should do with TACACS+ Should the ID, as presented, or as revised by the WG, be published as one or more RFCs? I like the idea of documenting TACACS+ the way it is today a

[OPSAWG] Detangling - Q3: Publish TACACS+ as a standards track RFC?

2016-02-15 Thread Warren Kumari
This is the third of 3 messages to determine what the OpsAWG should do with TACACS+. If the answer to the previous question is yes, should the RFC describing the protocol itself (as opposed to any other document that might describe appropriate use) be published as a standards track RFC? Scott, Ti

[OPSAWG] Detangling - Q2: Publish TACACS+ as a RFC?

2016-02-15 Thread Warren Kumari
Dear OpsAWG: This is the second of three messages [0] to determine what the OpsAWG should do with TACACS+ Should the ID, as presented, or as revised by the WG, be published as one or more RFCs? Scott, Tianran and Warren [0]: The first one was the IPR one ( "Untangling - Explicit call for IPR on

[OPSAWG] Untangling - Explicit call for IPR on draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-00

2016-02-15 Thread Warren Kumari
Dear WG, Thanks to everyone who has been participating. It is refreshing to see this much passion and involvement in OpsAWG! We wanted to give this a bit of time to settle down, and also to see where this ended up. We are going to do a series of steps to get as clear a view of the consensus of th

Re: [OPSAWG] TACACS+, a suggestion

2016-02-15 Thread Warren Kumari
Ok, let's all please take a step back, and calm down a little. We have a proposed path forward, but are waiting he hear back from our ADs (Benoit is on travel, and it is a vacation for many in the US) to get their input. We'll be the first to admit that we've done a less than stellar job here - th

Re: [OPSAWG] TACACS+, a suggestion

2016-02-15 Thread Alan DeKok
On Feb 15, 2016, at 1:26 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > >>> Seems that in the time bikeshedding, this could have already been in >>> WGLC. Outstanding work! >> Following process and achieving consensus is not "bike shedding". >> It's entirely inappropriate to describe it that way. > > i thought he was

Re: [OPSAWG] TACACS+, a suggestion

2016-02-15 Thread Randy Bush
>> Seems that in the time bikeshedding, this could have already been in >> WGLC. Outstanding work! > Following process and achieving consensus is not "bike shedding". > It's entirely inappropriate to describe it that way. i thought he was quite polite in not calling it something much stronger. h

Re: [OPSAWG] TACACS+, a suggestion

2016-02-15 Thread Alan DeKok
On Feb 15, 2016, at 5:07 AM, heasley wrote: > > Seems that in the time bikeshedding, this could have already been in WGLC. > Outstanding work! Following process and achieving consensus is not "bike shedding". It's entirely inappropriate to describe it that way. Alan DeKok.

[OPSAWG] automatic attachment of applications and services at the edge

2016-02-15 Thread Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
Hi, I would like to draw the attention of the participants in the OPSAWG on an individual submission that I am co-authoring. The problem we are trying to solve is the optimization / minimizing of the amount of configuration that an operator needs to do when new applications require the creation

Re: [OPSAWG] TACACS+, a suggestion

2016-02-15 Thread heasley
Seems that in the time bikeshedding, this could have already been in WGLC. Outstanding work! ___ OPSAWG mailing list OPSAWG@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg

Re: [OPSAWG] TACACS+, a suggestion

2016-02-15 Thread Robert Drake
David Carrel and Lol Grant are both on linkedin. Lol Grant is listed as retired and may have absolutely no interest in trying to resolve copyright problems from 20 years ago, but maybe it would amuse both of them to get back involved. Or maybe not.. On 2/14/2016 6:58 AM, Scott O. Bradner w