Re: [OPSAWG] Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-mm-wg-effect-encrypt-17: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-02-08 Thread Randy Bush
> If the IETF as a community objected to the content of this draft, > presumably there would ahve been significant dissent during the IETF > last call. my memory is that i commented once, supporting christian's eloquence during ietf last call. i commented yesterday supporting ekr's statement. fo

Re: [OPSAWG] Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-mm-wg-effect-encrypt-17: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-02-08 Thread Joel M. Halpern
Let me ask a different version of Carlos (and maybe Randy's) point. If the IETF as a community objected to the content of this draft, presumably there would ahve been significant dissent during the IETF last call. It looked to me like the consensus in support of this was rough but clear. More

Re: [OPSAWG] Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-mm-wg-effect-encrypt-17: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-02-08 Thread Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
> On Feb 8, 2018, at 5:17 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > >>> Unfortunately, the fundamental concern that motivated my DISCUSS >>> remains: I do not believe that this document matches the consensus >>> of the IETF community. >> That's an interesting claim. >> If the process has not been followed, this r

Re: [OPSAWG] Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-mm-wg-effect-encrypt-17: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-02-08 Thread Eliot Lear
On 08.02.18 21:53, Melinda Shore wrote: > On 2/8/18 5:01 AM, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) wrote: >> Without any judgement, this is an informational document, so it does >> not necessarily need to have IETF consensus for publication. > Generally I'm in favor of being pretty relaxed about informational

Re: [OPSAWG] Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-mm-wg-effect-encrypt-17: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-02-08 Thread Melinda Shore
On 2/8/18 5:01 AM, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) wrote: > Without any judgement, this is an informational document, so it does > not necessarily need to have IETF consensus for publication. Generally I'm in favor of being pretty relaxed about informational documents that describe a real thing in the wor

[OPSAWG] Datatracker State Update Notice:

2018-02-08 Thread IETF Secretariat
IESG state changed: New State: IESG Evaluation::AD Followup (The previous state was IESG Evaluation) Datatracker URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mm-wg-effect-encrypt/ ___ OPSAWG mailing list OPSAWG@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/li

[OPSAWG] Minor change in ietf-access-control-l...@2018-02-02.yang

2018-02-08 Thread M. Ranganathan
In order to compile the published YANG model with OpenDaylight Yangtools I had to make the following change ( diff published file vs. changed file is below ): 583c583 < path "../../../../../../acl/name"; --- > path "/access-lists/acl/name"; 597c597 <

Re: [OPSAWG] Alexey Melnikov's No Objection on draft-mm-wg-effect-encrypt-17: (with COMMENT)

2018-02-08 Thread Kathleen Moriarty
On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > Alexey Melnikov has entered the following ballot position for > draft-mm-wg-effect-encrypt-17: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel fr

Re: [OPSAWG] Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-mm-wg-effect-encrypt-17: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-02-08 Thread Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)
Without any judgement, this is an informational document, so it does not necessarily need to have IETF consensus for publication. Mirja > Am 08.02.2018 um 11:17 schrieb Randy Bush : > >>> Unfortunately, the fundamental concern that motivated my DISCUSS >>> remains: I do not believe that this

[OPSAWG] Alexey Melnikov's No Objection on draft-mm-wg-effect-encrypt-17: (with COMMENT)

2018-02-08 Thread Alexey Melnikov
Alexey Melnikov has entered the following ballot position for draft-mm-wg-effect-encrypt-17: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer t

Re: [OPSAWG] [Gen-art] Gen-ART Telechat Call review of draft-mm-wg-effect-encrypt-15

2018-02-08 Thread Alissa Cooper
Meral, thanks for your review. Authors, thanks for your response. I have entered an Abstain ballot on this document based on my own re-review. Alissa > On Jan 26, 2018, at 8:32 PM, Meral Shirazipour > wrote: > > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review > Tea

[OPSAWG] Benoit Claise's Yes on draft-mm-wg-effect-encrypt-17: (with COMMENT)

2018-02-08 Thread Benoit Claise
Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for draft-mm-wg-effect-encrypt-17: Yes When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://w

[OPSAWG] Alissa Cooper's Abstain on draft-mm-wg-effect-encrypt-17: (with COMMENT)

2018-02-08 Thread Alissa Cooper
Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for draft-mm-wg-effect-encrypt-17: Abstain When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https

Re: [OPSAWG] Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-mm-wg-effect-encrypt-17: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-02-08 Thread Randy Bush
>> Unfortunately, the fundamental concern that motivated my DISCUSS >> remains: I do not believe that this document matches the consensus >> of the IETF community. > That's an interesting claim. > If the process has not been followed, this requires facts as opposed > to "believes". > We should make

Re: [OPSAWG] Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-mm-wg-effect-encrypt-17: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-02-08 Thread Benoit Claise
On 2/8/2018 6:04 AM, Eric Rescorla wrote: Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot position for draft-mm-wg-effect-encrypt-17: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory

Re: [OPSAWG] Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-mm-wg-effect-encrypt-17: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-02-08 Thread Eliot Lear
Hi EKR, Regarding phishing: > S 5.4. (I think you mean S 5.3, but this equally applies to section 5.5, so...) > It's pretty odd to talk about phishing without acknowledging that by > far the largest anti-phishing platform (Safe Browsing) operates in the > client, not be network interception It's