- Original Message
> From: Matthew McCabe
> To: or-talk@freehaven.net
> Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 4:44:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Time Warner bad / VPS recommendations
>
> I take issue with the premise that the only course of action that ISPs have
> is
> to d
- Original Message
> From: Sebastian Lechte
> To: or-talk@freehaven.net
> Sent: Friday, February 6, 2009 8:23:13 AM
> Subject: Re: Time Warner bad / VPS recommendations
>
> Hi everyone,
>
>
> Please do not give money to node operators. This will complicate
Hi!
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 3:36 AM, Scott Bennett wrote:
> Please go read the tor man page again. Specifically, you should reread
> the material on the ExitPolicy statement in the torrc file. The proper way
> to prevent exits on port 80 is to use an ExitPolicy that rejects port 80 for
> whatev
On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 04:14:29PM -0500, Praedor Atrebates wrote:
> On Thursday 05 February 2009 16:03:52 Mitar wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:52 PM, slush wrote:
> > > Although Im big Tor fan, I think it is better idea to run Tor in unused
> > > bandwith (like me) on plenty of
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 16:14:29 -0500 Praedor Atrebates
wrote:
>On Thursday 05 February 2009 16:03:52 Mitar wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:52 PM, slush wrote:
>> > Although Im big Tor fan, I think it is better idea to run Tor in unused
>> > bandwith (like me) on plenty of computer
On Thursday 05 February 2009 16:03:52 Mitar wrote:
> Hi!
>
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:52 PM, slush wrote:
> > Although Im big Tor fan, I think it is better idea to run Tor in unused
> > bandwith (like me) on plenty of computers rather than pay together few big
> > centralized servers (like you of
I agree that starting a business may be problematic but I am not sure
this would be true for a non-profit in the US.
Does anyone know if US non-profits are required to log connection
information? I help several businesses (including a large company) and
non-profits maintain their websites, ne
On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 08:23:13AM +0100, Sebastian Lechte wrote:
> Please do not give money to node operators. This will complicate matters
According to reading the tea leaves in certain laws passed e.g. in
Germany lately an anonymizing service would be required to log the
connection info if op
Hi everyone,
Please do not give money to node operators. This will complicate matters
and bring in the wrong people. I support sharing costs for a node in a
small group of people, but don't make it a way to receive money from
anyone - there will be people who abuse it.
It might also have legal i
On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 02:07 +0100, Mitar wrote:
> Hi!
>
> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Ted Smith wrote:
> > Why put one node online when you could put hundreds online, by creating
> > enough incentive to balance the potential risk of ISP complaints?
>
> I do not see those two ideas excluding
Hi!
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Ted Smith wrote:
> Why put one node online when you could put hundreds online, by creating
> enough incentive to balance the potential risk of ISP complaints?
I do not see those two ideas excluding each other. :-)
So yes, such field in metadata + support for
On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 00:29 +0100, Mitar wrote:
> Hi!
>
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Ted Smith wrote:
> > TorProject has a paypal donations account that people (like those people
> > who cannot run a node, but wish to contribute) can send donations to.
> > Those donations, in turn, are requ
Hi!
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Ted Smith wrote:
> TorProject has a paypal donations account that people (like those people
> who cannot run a node, but wish to contribute) can send donations to.
> Those donations, in turn, are requested by node operators who run
> high-bandwidth, permissive
On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 22:03 +0100, Mitar wrote:
> But on the other hand I am seeing many e-mails like "I would like to
> contribute to Tor but my ISP/university/mom does not allow me/has
> blocked me/does not want to hassle". So maybe those could cooperate in
> a way of putting together such nodes
Hi!
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:52 PM, slush wrote:
> Although Im big Tor fan, I think it is better idea to run Tor in unused
> bandwith (like me) on plenty of computers rather than pay together few big
> centralized servers (like you offer). Firstly, using unused bandwidth is for
> free. And it is
Hi!
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Matthew McCabe wrote:
> Also, you could setup an independent auditing system in which Tor "experts"
> could examine the Tor boxes or VPSs to be sure that they are not
> compromised.
But then ... who will watch the watchers?
Mitar
Hi Mitar,
firstly, my linode server is hosting for my small sites, NOT for Tor
service. But because I use only about 30-40 GB per month for my sites, I
decided to give rest to Tor network. So your calculation is faulty - I pay
nothing to give 360 GB per month for Tor ;)
Although Im big Tor fan, I
I agree that it may be a risk for one organization to own a large number
of Tor nodes. But if that organization is a non-profit and run by some
of the Tor users, developers, and operators on this list, that should
reduce the risk that the organization will willingly compromise its Tor
network.
I take issue with the premise that the only course of action that ISPs
have is to disconnect customers that generate these complaints. I know
that some ISPs simply pass on the complaints to their customers with the
expectation that the customer fix the problem. It seems to me that this
is all
On Thu, February 5, 2009 09:32, John Brooks wrote:
> Tor will not choose similar IPs.
It's not the first time I check or-talk mail before coffe, I should stop
doing this :-P
However, you're right, I also recall to read it somewhere, I'll better
check again the documentation.
ciao
--
Marco Bonett
No. Aside from the Family option (which aims to help prevent multiple nodes
operated by the same person or group from being used in a circuit, with
their cooperation), Tor will not choose similar IPs. Three IPs at the same
provider would probably be pretty similar (same /24 or /16), and tor would
a
On Wed, February 4, 2009 23:37, Scott Bennett wrote:
> Is it possible to get a three-hop circuit using relays that are ostensibly
> being operated by different individuals, but which are all running on the
> same physical machine because the operators all subscribe to the same
> company's hosting s
It's a risk regarding a large number of nodes being run by a single
entity. The upside to such a business model though would be if they
donated a percentage of profits to the Tor foundation. If they get
pummeled by C&D letters and eventually shut down, at least TOR can keep
the money for future
Hi!
> You raise important questions: how many tor relays currently listed
> in the directory are running on hardware owned by the same entity? And
> how many of those are on hardware physically located at the same site?
And if they are using virtual servers within the same ISP...
> Is it possi
Eugen Leitl wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 03:37:05PM -0500, tor-opera...@sky-haven.net wrote:
>
>> Incidentally, I work at a (different) hosting provider. We aren't
>> particularly interested in being defenders of people's rights. If
>> someone cost us money or time in proportions we find to
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 22:40:11 +0100 Mitar wrote:
>On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Matthew McCabe wrote:
>> Wow, that is a very cool idea. This could even be turned into a non-profit
>> organization... We could take donations to support running Tor exit nodes
>> which, in turn, supports every
Hi!
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Matthew McCabe wrote:
> Wow, that is a very cool idea. This could even be turned into a non-profit
> organization... We could take donations to support running Tor exit nodes
> which, in turn, supports everyone's ability to use the Internet without fear
> of
On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 03:37:05PM -0500, tor-opera...@sky-haven.net wrote:
> Incidentally, I work at a (different) hosting provider. We aren't
> particularly interested in being defenders of people's rights. If
> someone cost us money or time in proportions we find to be excessive, we
> assert
Wow, that is a very cool idea. This could even be turned into a
non-profit organization... We could take donations to support running
Tor exit nodes which, in turn, supports everyone's ability to use the
Internet without fear of censorship, harassment, and authoritarian (or
up-and-coming auth
Scott Bennett wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:42:01 -0600 Matthew McCabe
> wrote:
>> So Time Warner Cable finally gave me an ultimatum that either I stop
>> running Tor or they will shut off my service. This was after 3 DMCA and
>> 2 general abuse/hacking complaints. Note that Time Warner
Hi!
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 8:50 PM, slush wrote:
> Yes, Im using linode.com, plan "Linode 720". Tor runs without any problem
> (but my bandwidth is only about 150kB/s; there are another network services
> too).
Interesting. That is $40/month with 400 GB limit. I have a collocation
for around 110
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 10:23:50 Matthew McCabe wrote:
> Yup, I restricted my exit node policy in hopes that it would limit
> torrent traffic and it seemed to work. However, the last "hacking"
> complaint was the result of someone making excessive or inappropriate
> postings on a newsgrou
On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 09:23:50AM -0600, Matthew McCabe wrote:
> Yup, I restricted my exit node policy in hopes that it would limit
> torrent traffic and it seemed to work. However, the last "hacking"
> complaint was the result of someone making excessive or inappropriate
> postings on a newsg
Yup, I restricted my exit node policy in hopes that it would limit
torrent traffic and it seemed to work. However, the last "hacking"
complaint was the result of someone making excessive or inappropriate
postings on a newsgroup or website. So while the torrent/DMCA
complaints stopped, the "ha
On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 21:17:47 +0100 Eugen Leitl wrote:
>On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 07:44:18PM +0100, Thomas Hluchnik wrote:
>> Zitat von Xinwen Fu :
>>
>> > The problem is: was the violation done through Tor? A bot may do the same
>> > thing. Time to scan your computer?:) Maybe you can run Tor as
On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 07:44:18PM +0100, Thomas Hluchnik wrote:
> Zitat von Xinwen Fu :
>
> > The problem is: was the violation done through Tor? A bot may do the same
> > thing. Time to scan your computer?:) Maybe you can run Tor as an entry or a
> > middle node, not an exit node.
> >
> > Cheers
Yes, Im using linode.com, plan "Linode 720". Tor runs without any problem
(but my bandwidth is only about 150kB/s; there are another network services
too).
I received two DMCAs (some torrent sharing). Linode stuff was very polite,
but they said me they have to solve this. Because server is very im
As of writing, 561 of 1250 (44.88%) active routers are flagged as exit. That
is by number of routers, not by bandwidth, but the point stands regardless.
Exits are absolutely important, and in an ideal world everything would be
exit, but entry/middle nodes are still extremely useful.
- John Brooks
Zitat von Xinwen Fu :
> The problem is: was the violation done through Tor? A bot may do the same
> thing. Time to scan your computer?:) Maybe you can run Tor as an entry or a
> middle node, not an exit node.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Xinwen Fu
Yes, and one pertty nice day we have 1 middlemen and no ex
The problem is: was the violation done through Tor? A bot may do the same
thing. Time to scan your computer?:) Maybe you can run Tor as an entry or a
middle node, not an exit node.
Cheers,
Xinwen Fu
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Matthew McCabe wrote:
> I sent TWC a modified version of the
I sent TWC a modified version of the EFF DMCA response letter for the
DMCA takedown notices. I even personally replied to one of the DMCAs
from an agent for Paramount. I was only able to personally reply to one
of the complaints as TWC would not forward me any of the other notices.
The techn
On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:42:01 -0600 Matthew McCabe
wrote:
>So Time Warner Cable finally gave me an ultimatum that either I stop
>running Tor or they will shut off my service. This was after 3 DMCA and
>2 general abuse/hacking complaints. Note that Time Warner does not say
>anything about
Two very important factors to keep in mind for a tor node on a VPS are
memory and FD limits. A lot of VPS software will limit the number of sockets
available to each guest, which is usually a limit tor will run into quickly.
I run my 300 KB/s node with a limit of 8192 sockets, and it usually has
50
So Time Warner Cable finally gave me an ultimatum that either I stop
running Tor or they will shut off my service. This was after 3 DMCA and
2 general abuse/hacking complaints. Note that Time Warner does not say
anything about proxy servers in their AUP. They were just tired of
getting these
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