Re: SYS vs SYSTEM

2001-11-29 Thread Stephane Faroult
"Van M. Etheridge" wrote: > > Hi Ken, > > My guess is that you need to set up sys.dba_all_tables with a public > synonym. > > HTH > > Van > > -Original Message- > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 11:50 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > 8.1.7 on W2000 > > select owne

RE: SYS vs SYSTEM

2001-11-29 Thread Van M. Etheridge
Hi Ken, My guess is that you need to set up sys.dba_all_tables with a public synonym. HTH Van -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 11:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 8.1.7 on W2000 select owner, table_name, tablespace_name from dba_all_tables; When I

RE: SYS vs SYSTEM

2001-06-16 Thread ARUN K C
TED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: SYS vs SYSTEM >Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:27:12 -0800 > >How about oradim and server manager? > >-Original Message- >Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 5:02

RE: SYS vs SYSTEM

2001-06-15 Thread lhoska
How about oradim and server manager? -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 5:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Trying to connect using INTERNAL via SQLPLUS. Platform is Solaris 2.6, Oracle 9i. Logged in as oracle user. Oracle user is a member of the dba group an

RE: SYS vs SYSTEM

2001-06-15 Thread John Kanagaraj
>Roles created by a user never go away. They are not attached >to the user. Just keep in mind that the role is automatically assigned to the user who created it. And this can land you in a *bit* of a problem when you import that user in another database and bump into MAX_ENABLED_ROLES (which de

RE: SYS vs SYSTEM

2001-06-15 Thread eric harrington
Trying to connect using INTERNAL via SQLPLUS. Platform is Solaris 2.6, Oracle 9i. Logged in as oracle user. Oracle user is a member of the dba group and CONNECT INTERNAL works fine in 8i. See following error message for 9i: ORA-09275: CONNECT INTERNAL is not a valid DBA connection -Origi

Re: SYS vs SYSTEM

2001-06-15 Thread Mustafa
It's gone. And for SYS logins, you must login as "SYS as sysdba" or "SYS as sysoper". The threat of internal going away has been around for a long time. It looks like they finally acted upon it. Defry - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: SYS vs SYSTEM

2001-06-15 Thread Greg Moore
> Do you use a DBA account? Is there a better way? Actually I use "connect / as sysdba" for startup and shutdown. That is probably considered to be connecting as SYS, although I'm not sure if it exactly the same as "connect sys/". Since I'm not actually connecting with the SYS account/password

RE: SYS vs SYSTEM

2001-06-15 Thread lhoska
Is it the same old rumor or it could be confirmed 100%? -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 3:26 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well you will have alot of scripts to change, internal is gone in 9i. "Walking on water and developing software from a specification a

RE: SYS vs SYSTEM

2001-06-15 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
Ah, you take me for a fool! It's in one file per instance! And the Rman job is one file per machine - shared by all instances! thank you, thank you, hat tipping, hat tipping. crowd roaring. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001

RE: SYS vs SYSTEM

2001-06-15 Thread Christopher Spence
Well you will have alot of scripts to change, internal is gone in 9i. "Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if both are frozen." Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Fuelspot -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 2:41 PM To: Multiple recipients

RE: SYS vs SYSTEM

2001-06-15 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
Greg, I was told by Oracle Support when I started using Rman under version 8.0 to use SYS or INTERNAL, as it is "better". Between you and me, "better" is quite subjective. But, I wrote scripts that connect as INTERNAL, and it has been working fine ever since, so I did not re-visit it. Do you u

RE: SYS vs SYSTEM

2001-06-15 Thread Henry Poras
Well, you could always set synonyms so they wouldn't notice. I typically make SYS off limits by making the password inaccessible. IDENTIFIED BY VALUES 'no way'; Henry -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 5:56 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, I generally u

Re: SYS vs SYSTEM

2001-06-15 Thread Greg Moore
Tom, Why do you use SYS exclusively for startup and shutdown, since your DBA priv account could also accomplish this? - Greg -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Greg Moore INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (85

RE: SYS vs SYSTEM

2001-06-15 Thread William Beilstein
That might be true in Oracle 8, but was a problem in Oracle 7. Just being paranoid. >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/15/01 11:11AM >>> Bill, Roles created by a user never go away. They are not attached to the user. They belong to the system (I just tried this in 816 - created a user, granted CREATE_ROL

RE: SYS vs SYSTEM

2001-06-15 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
Bill, Roles created by a user never go away. They are not attached to the user. They belong to the system (I just tried this in 816 - created a user, granted CREATE_ROLE to that user, connected as that user, created a role and dropped the user - the role still exists). Likewise grants to databa

Re: SYS vs SYSTEM

2001-06-15 Thread William Beilstein
What account I use depends on what I am doing. For example to set up roles, grant rights, and create users I use the SYSTEM account. For anything else, I use my DBA account. The reason is that if I ever leave and my account is removed, all those rights that I granted and all the roles that I cr

Re: SYS vs SYSTEM

2001-06-15 Thread Rachel Carmichael
it makes absolute sense. And if the developers refuse to understand it, liken it to running things as root on a Unix box. Too easy to inadvertently do major damage. to make their lives easier (and therefore your own), why not create synonyms for the SYS.x calls you want them to make so t

RE: SYS vs SYSTEM

2001-06-15 Thread Christopher Spence
One thing I noticed is SYSTEM can do about 95% of the things SYS can do. There isn't a whole lot you cannot do with SYSTEM. But there is some. Using another account is sound advice as your less likely to own important objects, and less likely to drop them as you would never prepend SYS. in a drop

RE: SYS vs SYSTEM

2001-06-15 Thread Kevin Lange
Thats the same as here. We use SYSTEM for all our automated scripts. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 4:56 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, I generally use SYSTEM rather than SYS for DBA work, and would like to discourage the use of SYS as much as pos

Re: SYS vs SYSTEM

2001-06-15 Thread nlzanen1
Hi, I wouldn't use any of the oracle specific users for DBA stuff (except maybe startup & shutdown) Create another user with DBA rights. jack "Guy Hammond"

Re: SYS vs SYSTEM

2001-06-15 Thread Jon Walthour
Guy: Maybe I'm too conservative, but I don't even use SYSTEM unless necessary and I hardly ever use SYS. I will usually create my own account and grant it DBA privileges. IMHO, your reasoning here is sound. SYS, as you point out, can do absolutely anything. Therefore, my reasoning is "don't use a