Re: orion-list Jeremiah's Eternal Priesthood, the Rechabim

2002-05-29 Thread Herb Basser
no i dont have it-- i was merely responding to the yalkut passage and recalled a partial source in mechilta (not talmud but earlier) for what it said. I think the Eusebius passage is key and "son of the rechabites" I take to mean a descendant-- the term is strange because we have already heard he

orion-list Essene cemetery at Jericho?

2002-05-29 Thread RGmyrken
Thanks to all who respondd to my query on Qumran Hebrew. A new question. I'm trying to evaluate the hypothesis that the Essenes of the Herodian era had a significant presence at Jericho. It has been suggested that criticisms directed against the "men of Jericho" at bTal Pes 55b ff, Me

RE: orion-list Jeremiah's Eternal Priesthood, the Rechabim

2002-05-29 Thread David Suter
No, George, I don't think it's beside the point, and I think that you're unfair to Jeffrey to demand that he support you rather than "BLOCK" you. You're overreading Jeremiah, I believe, and when the Rabbinic material didn't support your reading of Jeremiah you backed away from it. As I suggested

Re: orion-list Jeremiah's Eternal Priesthood, the Rechabim

2002-05-29 Thread George Brooks
Prof. Suter, The view that the Rechabites were craftsmen in general is quite well established. But I'm not quite certain why you think these crafts preclude any capacity in Levitical or Priestly service. Priests made things in the service of Yahweh. so why wouldn't a priest be a metal work

orion-list Rechabites vs. Enochian Jews?

2002-05-29 Thread George Brooks
Prof. Gibson writes: "And if I take the "some say" correctly, this passage also indicates > that there was some doubt that the claim itself (about daughters, etc.) is in any way reliable." REPLY: The Talmud is FULL of "some say" commentary. I hardly think you are in a position to unwravel the

Re: orion-list Jeremiah's Eternal Priesthood, the Rechabim

2002-05-29 Thread George Brooks
Herb, It's not clear to me you are looking at the right footnote or footnotes. Do you have the JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS book? And if you do, can you cite the footnote that Eisenman quotes in support of the marriage into the lineage of the High Priest? The footnotes were about "marriage" not ab

Re: orion-list Jeremiah's Eternal Priesthood, the Rechabim

2002-05-29 Thread Jeffrey B. Gibson
Herb Basser wrote: > thanks for the citation-- i now recall george had written me about this > months ago and i saw the passage but forgot about it until geoff brought it > tou our attention again. I'm not sure of all the Yalkut's sources here but > here is what we find: > > yalkut Jeremiah prese

Re: orion-list Jeremiah's Eternal Priesthood, the Rechabim

2002-05-29 Thread Herb Basser
well our best information is that historically converts could not marry into priestly families -- josephus makes a to-do about it when he is given a wife by the emperor and finally when he dumps his illegal wife that emperor had given him and marries a priestly wife he feels relieved, rabbinic li

Re: orion-list Jeremiah's Eternal Priesthood, the Rechabim

2002-05-29 Thread Herb Basser
thanks for the citation-- i now recall george had written me about this months ago and i saw the passage but forgot about it until geoff brought it tou our attention again. I'm not sure of all the Yalkut's sources here but here is what we find: yalkut Jeremiah preserves: some say their daughter

Re: orion-list Jeremiah's Eternal Priesthood, the Rechabim

2002-05-29 Thread George Brooks
> Ian writes: > On page 229 of JBJ Eisenman writes "We shall see below how the > Rabbinic tradition also connects these "Rechabites" [..] with the > High Priest or High Priest class..." Then on page 241 he writes "If > we keep in mind the Rabbinic notices above that "the sons" or > "daughters of t

RE: orion-list Jeremiah's Eternal Priesthood, the Rechabim

2002-05-29 Thread Suter, David
> -Original Message- > From: Geoff Hudson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 11:37 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: orion-list Jeremiah's Eternal Priesthood, the Rechabim > > > On page 999 of JBJ, note 22, Eisenman writes: 'followed > by the tradit

RE: orion-list Jeremiah's Eternal Priesthood, the Rechabim

2002-05-29 Thread Geoff Hudson
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ian Hutchesson Sent: 29 May 2002 06:32 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: orion-list Jeremiah's Eternal Priesthood, the Rechabim Ian writes: On page 229 of JBJ Eisenman writes "We shall see below how the R

Re: orion-list Jeremiah and Rechabite "Priests"

2002-05-29 Thread Herb Basser
As far as rabbinic evidence goes the Rechabites are noted (pesikta derav kahana) to be descended from jethro, Moses' father in law, and in chronicles they are noted be kenites-- and the tosefta in bikurim notes kenites have the status of converts but even so they can recite the recitation of the j

orion-list apologies

2002-05-29 Thread Jeffrey B. Gibson
Apologies for sending my post on Jeremiah and alleged Rechabite priests twice. When the first version of my post did not come through in a timely fashion, I thought I had fouled something up in the address or header fields. So I sent the message again -- not realizing that by the time I sent it th

orion-list Jeremiah and Rechabite "Priests"

2002-05-29 Thread Jeffrey B. Gibson
George Brooks wrote: > Dear David Suter, > > You are correct. I did miss your response. Thank you for taking > the time to re-send it. My responses are below: > > You write: > > The Rechabites as a priesthood seems unlikely. They are more > likely > > smiths (the meaning of the n

RE: orion-list Qumran Hebrew

2002-05-29 Thread Baasten, M.F.J.
> Can anyone on the list refer me to recent bibliography on the > relationship of Qumran Hebrew to Classical Hebrew, Late > Biblical Hebrew, etc.? Very recent and of great importance: J. Blau, "A Conservative View of the Language of the Dead Sea Scrolls", 20-25. A. Hurvitz, "Was QH a