Re: [osg-users] The naming of VulkanSceneGraph

2018-06-30 Thread Robert Osfield
Jay! Another sleepiness night due to the stress of how to deal with unplanned actions of others. I'm not one who thrives on stress, and not one who enjoys living off 2hrs of sleep. I hate existing like this, it's neither healthy for my short or long term health. What makes things difficult is th

Re: [osg-users] The naming of VulkanSceneGraph

2018-06-30 Thread Robert Osfield
On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 at 03:51, Chris Hanson wrote: > > Ok. I've done this. > > https://github.com/KhronosGroup/Vulkan-Ecosystem/issues/36 > > Maybe that will get their attention and some response. Guys, I'm in transit on holiday, it's supposed to be a time for me to relax, not to start thinking ab

Re: [osg-users] The naming of VulkanSceneGraph

2018-06-29 Thread Chris Hanson
Ok. I've done this. https://github.com/KhronosGroup/Vulkan-Ecosystem/issues/36 Maybe that will get their attention and some response. On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 2:54 PM Michael Weiblen wrote: > I'd suggest creating a ticket at > https://github.com/KhronosGroup/Vulkan-Ecosystem/issues > > -- mew >

Re: [osg-users] The naming of VulkanSceneGraph

2018-06-29 Thread Michael Weiblen
I'd suggest creating a ticket at https://github.com/KhronosGroup/Vulkan-Ecosystem/issues -- mew On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 9:27 AM, Robert Osfield wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 at 14:53, Eric Sokolowsky wrote: > > Trademark holders *must* defend their trademarks, or they lose them. > > Indeed thi

Re: [osg-users] The naming of VulkanSceneGraph

2018-06-28 Thread Robert Osfield
On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 at 14:53, Eric Sokolowsky wrote: > Trademark holders *must* defend their trademarks, or they lose them. Indeed this is true. It's only part of the story though. Khronos mission is to develop and promote open APIs, as part of this they trademark projects they undertake, they

Re: [osg-users] The naming of VulkanSceneGraph

2018-06-28 Thread Eric Sokolowsky
Trademark holders *must* defend their trademarks, or they lose them. On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 6:43 PM, Chris Hanson wrote: > I think the Vulkan compliance tests (and name usage) only applies to > implementations OF the Vulkan API. I don't think it applies to software > USING Vulkan. > > I think V

Re: [osg-users] The naming of VulkanSceneGraph

2018-06-26 Thread Chris Hanson
uiries for me to > discuss. > > We can take this off list if that is best. > > John "Double Smiley" Richardson > > -Original Message- > From: osg-users [mailto:osg-users-boun...@lists.openscenegraph.org] On > Behalf Of Robert Osfield > Sent: Monday, Ju

Re: [osg-users] The naming of VulkanSceneGraph

2018-06-26 Thread John Richardson
lf Of Robert Osfield Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 8:18 PM To: OpenSceneGraph Users Subject: Re: [osg-users] The naming of VulkanSceneGraph On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 at 17:01, Chris Hanson wrote: > Ok, so does anyone have any actual current contacts with Khronos? I have a few distant ones but they ar

Re: [osg-users] The naming of VulkanSceneGraph

2018-06-25 Thread Chris Hanson
I think the Vulkan compliance tests (and name usage) only applies to implementations OF the Vulkan API. I don't think it applies to software USING Vulkan. I think VulkanSceneGraph is a good and descriptive name, I just don't want to see a lot of activity sunk into that name and then have it torped

Re: [osg-users] The naming of VulkanSceneGraph

2018-06-25 Thread Robert Osfield
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 at 17:01, Chris Hanson wrote: > Ok, so does anyone have any actual current contacts with Khronos? I have a > few distant ones but they aren't terribly responsive. I have met a few from the ARB/Khronos over the years but don't have any personal contacts. If people do then pl

Re: [osg-users] The naming of VulkanSceneGraph

2018-06-25 Thread Curtis Rubel
Hi, https://www.khronos.org/vulkan/adopters/ I think this page will alleviate anymore discussion, at least it sounds pretty straight forward to me that as long as VulcanSceneGraph passes their tests it seems OK to use the name. Of course I am no a lawyer either but this text seems

Re: [osg-users] The naming of VulkanSceneGraph

2018-06-25 Thread Chris Hanson
Ok, so does anyone have any actual current contacts with Khronos? I have a few distant ones but they aren't terribly responsive. On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:39 AM Robert Osfield wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 at 09:30, Jorge Izquierdo Ciges > wrote: > > It is a little bit sad to lose the Open part

Re: [osg-users] The naming of VulkanSceneGraph

2018-06-25 Thread Robert Osfield
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 at 09:30, Jorge Izquierdo Ciges wrote: > It is a little bit sad to lose the Open part of the name, why not go for Open > Vulkan Scene Graph or Open Scene Graph: Vulkan > > (The second works better as a serialized book title :P ) "Open Vulkan Scene Graph" doesn't avoid the Vul

Re: [osg-users] The naming of VulkanSceneGraph

2018-06-25 Thread Jorge Izquierdo Ciges
Hi all, my 2 cents for the name. It is a little bit sad to lose the Open part of the name, why not go for Open Vulkan Scene Graph or Open Scene Graph: Vulkan (The second works better as a serialized book title :P ) They are a little more clear that we are not stepping on the Kronos IP name right

Re: [osg-users] The naming of VulkanSceneGraph

2018-06-25 Thread Robert Osfield
On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 at 22:31, Terry Welsh wrote: > Is it worth asking if this project will be a scene graph or a > rendering engine? It'll be a rendering+compute API based Vulkan that represent the Scene as a Graph. VulkanSceneGraph tells people exactly what it is, anything else moves away from

Re: [osg-users] The naming of VulkanSceneGraph

2018-06-25 Thread Robert Osfield
On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 at 11:13, Tim Moore wrote: > Just call it VSG! That's the planned namespace :-) ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org

Re: [osg-users] The naming of VulkanSceneGraph

2018-06-23 Thread Terry Welsh
> Just call it VSG! There has already been a Vega Scene Graph available from MultiGen Paradigm for years and years, so I would shy away from VSG or anything abbreviated VSG. After all, there was some confusion with the two OSGs last time around. Is it worth asking if this project will be a scene

Re: [osg-users] The naming of VulkanSceneGraph

2018-06-23 Thread Tim Moore
Just call it VSG! Tim On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 3:27 AM, Robert Osfield wrote: > On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 at 00:55, Maurizio Vitale wrote: > > well the case of Apple (computer) vs Apple (the music company) was very > similar: a common word and very different industries (at the time Apple was > not in

Re: [osg-users] The naming of VulkanSceneGraph

2018-06-21 Thread Robert Osfield
On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 at 00:55, Maurizio Vitale wrote: > well the case of Apple (computer) vs Apple (the music company) was very > similar: a common word and very different industries (at the time Apple was > not in the music/multimedia industry). Khronos, a standards body, and an open source pro

Re: [osg-users] The naming of VulkanSceneGraph

2018-06-21 Thread Maurizio Vitale
> > If the branding is very distinct, and the word itself isn't something that > can be owned as there is lots of prior art in active use > well the case of Apple (computer) vs Apple (the music company) was very similar: a common word and very different industries (at the time Apple was not in the

Re: [osg-users] The naming of VulkanSceneGraph

2018-06-21 Thread Robert Osfield
Hi Chris, I am not a lawyer, but I think this is in a muddy area and it concerns > me. I don't think anyone here can answer this, probably the only way to > know is to ask Khronos directly for their interpretation in writing. But I > suspect the answer will be "find a different name that doesn'

[osg-users] The naming of VulkanSceneGraph

2018-06-21 Thread Chris Hanson
Something came up in a conversation earlier this week that I thought I would point out. Is VulkanSceneGraph potentially opening itself to trademark-related hassle by incorporating the trademark "Vulkan" name into its own name? The Khronos trademark guidelines are here: https://www.khronos.o