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2000-11-28 Thread Artur F. Silva
Someone I meat in a list was so kind to send me a message in Portuguese. But he DOES NOT speak Portuguese! He used an electronic translator. The mail I have received was not in "perfect" Portuguese. But I could understand it. The good news is that maybe in a short time we will be able to communic

Re: Participant Driven Open Space Principles and Laws

2000-11-28 Thread Artur F. Silva
At 10:41 28-11-2000 -0500, Meg Salter wrote: I find this fascinating - and agree that (mostly) real change will come when a "behaviour rule change" comes from outside the group. This is exactly the definition of 2nd order change or transformational change "changes to the body of rules governing t

Re: Open space for military

2000-11-28 Thread Esther .
Carol: What fun. I have written some of my musings. I haven't done open space with the military but was involved as a subcontracted consultant to co-facilitate a set of sessions with Canadian military personnel. The design was poor and so the whole thing did not go well. But I learned a ton about

Re: Open space for military

2000-11-28 Thread Michelle Cooper
Birgitt Williams did work with the Canadian Military. She is on the list and at birg...@mindspring.com. Michelle -Original Message- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu]On Behalf Of loughrey Sent: November 28, 2000 8:44 PM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Open spa

Re: Participant Driven Open Space Principles and Laws

2000-11-28 Thread Richard Charles Holloway
I've been following this thread with some interest. It occurs to me (prompted by your response, Peg) that we may see something of ethical principles (values) in this law and 4 principles. There is one prime principle--autonomy expressed as the law of two feet. The 4 principles are different m

Re: OS for "bad" purposes

2000-11-28 Thread Richard Charles Holloway
Peg, I don't believe it's the structure that brings out the "best of the emergent human spirit." It's the purpose for which the structure is used, and the values of the people who are drawn by the purpose and who bring value-based passion fueled by the purpose (framing question; theme; etc) th

Open space for military

2000-11-28 Thread loughrey
I have been contracted to do an open space for the Military Family resource Centre at a nearby military base. I recall someone telling me they had done some work with the military. If you could let me know with whom and what the theme was I would appreciate it. Thanks. * * =

Re: Peggy's- OS for "bad" purposes

2000-11-28 Thread Lisa Heft
I love this conversation. Many thanks to you, Peggy. If we are not to judge people and are supposed to just let them 'be' in Open Space -- create space for them and get out of the way -- then it seems to me we really cannot judge whether something they do with this is good or bad. Here we are as

Re: How the Mighty are Fallen

2000-11-28 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
Harrison-- Reminds me of cooking rice. A cup of rice calls for 2 cups of water, and you can double that and come out okay. But if you continue to double the water every time you double the rice, you will soon have soup--just as in Open Space, double the people don't seem to require twice the tim

Re: How the Mighty are Fallen

2000-11-28 Thread Harrison Owen
At 11:55 AM 11/27/00 -0500, you wrote: Harrison-- Condolences that you aren't the new record-holder. Congratulations on a productive and wonderful meeting. There is always another day . . . Thanks for your solicitude! But while I'm waiting -- I might as well confess that there actually was so

Re: Participant Driven Open Space Principles and Laws

2000-11-28 Thread Harrison Owen
At 03:21 PM 11/27/00 -0500, you wrote: >I am wondering if any of you out there on the list serve has ever >facilitated an open space event where the participants themselves determine >the principles/laws that will govern their open space event. Well that would certainly be something to experiment

Re: Participant Driven Open Space Principles and Laws

2000-11-28 Thread Chris Corrigan
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Re: Participant Driven Open Space Principles and Laws

2000-11-28 Thread Chris Corrigan
It depends on the group of course, but I often refer to the "start" and Over" principles as "Indian Time." And I always quote a teacher of mine who teaches Native Management courses at Trent University. He used to say that he never wanted to see a student coming late to class and claiming that he

Re: OS for "bad" purposes

2000-11-28 Thread Meg Salter
This gets to be a really interesting discussion around "bad"; whose definition? bad for whom? For me, the notions of evolving levels of consciousness/ Spirit come into play here - see Spiral Dynamics (earlier threads in this listserve) and also Harrison's "Stages Along Sprit's Way" in the Power

Re: Participant Driven Open Space Principles and Laws

2000-11-28 Thread Peggy Holman
from Artur: But can we obtain the some results if we suppress all or some of the "principles"? Have any one tried that? What do you think? Actually, at this talk Harrison did this morning, it seemed he wasn't going to mention the principles and the law to this group of people new to OS. I mu

Re: OS for "bad" purposes

2000-11-28 Thread Richard Norris
What would be the implications of convening an OS for purposes generally considered to be for the ill of the community? For example, what if a street gang convened an OS on doing a better job of taking over a neighborhood? Would it still lead to the best of the human spirit emerging, as I alway

Re: open space-Training Hungary Day 1

2000-11-28 Thread Doersam, Laurel
Michael, Felicia and Jo, It sounds like all is proceeding wonderfully well - especially exciting to get the "mixed reviews", with some folks still clearly a little skeptical. I can barely wait to hear what the comments around the circle will be tomorrow, once all have had the opportunity to experi

Re: OS for "bad" purposes

2000-11-28 Thread Doersam, Laurel
Fascinating thought. And, hey, in the spirit of bringing the whole system in the room, wouldn't the gang want to include their potential victims in the event? Huge potential there for some very real transformation . . . if OS assists us to see our own and others' human-being-ness, then perhaps we

Re: Participant Driven Open Space Principles and Laws

2000-11-28 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
Thanks, Meg, for bringing a theoretical basis to my experience and intuition. And thanks for bringing in the role of the facilitator to model desired behavior. The sight of a facilitator standing aside, calm and expectant, while the group resolves a difficulty, teaches more than we could explain

Re: Participant Driven Open Space Principles and Laws

2000-11-28 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
John-- I also feel that the discussion of ground rules, if someone feels a special need for them, is more appropriate in the breakout groups. There you can deal with the anxiety, experience and needs of a few people in an appropriate way. For the OS as a whole, I like the simplicity (and the rad

communicating

2000-11-28 Thread Judi Richardson
Through all the discussions on language and its diversity, this arrived thought I'd share it. No Wonder English Is Hard To Learn Here are some examples that might explain why English is considered one of the most difficult languages to learn: 1. The bandage was wound a

Re: OS for "bad" purposes

2000-11-28 Thread Chris Corrigan
Good question. I think the answer to your question is "yes." I think that given the process of OST people will make the best decisions they can and that the best part of their spirits will emerge. I think too that whether or not Open Space is being used for a "bad" purpose very much depends on w

OS for "bad" purposes

2000-11-28 Thread Peggy Holman
Harrison did a talk this morning at an Executive Leadership Program alumnus breakfast at Seattle University. This is a very traditional (actually a Jesuit) school and most of the attendees were new to OS. One person asked a question that really intrigued me, so I thought I'd bring it here. Wh

SV: Re: Participant Driven Open Space Principles and Laws

2000-11-28 Thread Ingrid Olausson
The law of two ears. I love this! Would be a good addition. Ingrid - Original Message - From: Francoise Coupal, Mosaic.net International To: Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 9:21 PM Subject: Re: Participant Driven Open Space Principles and Laws > I am wondering if any of you out there on

Birgitts workshops in Sweden

2000-11-28 Thread skaparlust
Hi, I want to say it loud and clear, THANK YOU BIRGITT FOR TWO EXCEPTIONAL TRAININGS! It was a true pleasure to be with you and Rachel (Birgitts daughter), to learn from you, to hear your stories, to use your jacuzzi (my privilege) in the suite of Rånäs castle and to guide you in Stockholm and h

No Wonder English Is Hard To Learn

2000-11-28 Thread (David Koehler)
Friends: A co-worker stopped by my office yesterday and gave me this piece on the problems of the English language. I thought you all might enjoy this as well. No Wonder English Is Hard To Learn Here are some examples that might explain why English is considered

Re: Participant Driven Open Space Principles and Laws

2000-11-28 Thread Meg Salter
I find this fascinating - and agree that (mostly) real change will come when a "behaviour rule change" comes from outside the group. This is exactly the definition of 2nd order change or transformational change "changes to the body of rules governing their structure or internal order". [For you sch

Re: Participant Driven Open Space Principles and Laws

2000-11-28 Thread skaparlust
Hi Joelle, Thank you for your poetry! I see you in front of me as I write, as you stood up in the circle in Berlin. And thank you for your insightful message. I have never thought about changing the rules in Open Space, since I love the simplicity and beauty of them and they work!! And I don´t thin

Re: How the Mighty are Fallen

2000-11-28 Thread MCymraes
Dear Harrison-- Obviously, it is not the size of the...group...that matters, just how one facilitates it Grins, Dylene * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of osl...@lis

Re: Participant Driven Open Space Principles and Laws

2000-11-28 Thread loughrey
I was interested in your comment on put down humour, which I find more difficult and offensive the older I get. It does seem to be more of a "man thing". There is a wonderful quote - can't remember who from that says "Humour is often hostility masquerading as wit." Clearly your group recognized th

Re: Participant Driven Open Space Principles and Laws

2000-11-28 Thread john engle
when it comes to presenting and facilitating anything more thatn the presentation of the principles, law and logistics, i prefer to do it, or have it suggested in a break out session. i have the benefit of working with lots of different groups on an ongoing basis. therefore, a breakout session c

Re: Participant Driven Open Space Principles and Laws

2000-11-28 Thread Eddie Palmer
Hi Francoise, I follow your thoughts - yes, colleagues and myself always do use some form of "Groundrules" contract - I would say it is universal in GB - however, very much most of our Open Space participants are totally new to OS, and have no idea or concept about it. The "experienced" Open Space

Re: Participant Driven Open Space Principles and Laws

2000-11-28 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
For a long time I've been interested in how changing the rules changes the game. It seems that any time you re-define "the Laws" or the group norms, it encourages behavior change, whether the new rules be dialogue principles, Open Space laws, or something as simple as brainstorming "rules." It al