Re: The Warrior -- Carlos Casteneda

2001-10-18 Thread J. Paul Everett
In a message dated 10/16/01 9:28:45 PM, jsm...@mosquitonet.com writes: << If I am kind to a terrorist and the terrorist punches me in the face, that will not change my ideal. If I show compassion to a terrorist and the terrorist kills me, that will not change my ideal. These words simply ref

Re: Some reflections on OST, Bin Laden, etc.

2001-10-18 Thread Artur F. Silva
Some notes on Winston and Harrison's comments: At 01:14 18-10-2001, Winston Kinch wrote: Artur wrote: "...the main point I think that must be reviewed is the principle "whatever happens is the only thing that should..." I thought it was "could have" (not that this necessarily helps much, but st

Re: Some reflections on OST, Bin Laden, etc.

2001-10-18 Thread Harrison Owen
At 07:46 PM 10/18/01 +0100, Artur wrote: Some notes on Winston and Harrison's comments: Maybe we are today in a situation "far from equilibrium" and that's why (maybe) we can apply Chaos theory to it and that is also the reason why one can say that we live today in a "transformative moment". But

Re: OST with local Catholic Diocese

2001-10-18 Thread Larry Peterson
In my work with a lot of church organizations, there have been hymns, prayer, mediation, etc. Sometimes as a framing event before opening space or after the close, or in the evening. These activities have often happened within OS but according to the principles and law. That is, if a group wante

Re: Fighting Open Space Organizations

2001-10-18 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
Michael-- I like the image of al-queda as jellyfish. They do sting--but the ones which wash up on my beach, out of their natural element, melt away in the sunshine. Not that I think the problem of terrorism is easily solved, but that the process of opening up and letting light shine on what is in

Re: OST with local Catholic Diocese (long)

2001-10-18 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
Lisa-- I really like the complexity and flexibility of this. Prayer seems to me an outstanding way to open space (people don't always intend that, but God has been known to respond to human invitation in surprising ways!) But I can see the logistical challenges--easy for individual groups to pra

Re: the right to treat each other well (long response)

2001-10-18 Thread Glory Ressler
Alan, Thank you for your post on this subject. Beware my response is long - let it be a testimony to the richness of your original sharing! I found it very thought-provoking and concur with you, especially: >How much of the richness of life is enhanced, individually and collectively, every time ea

Re: report from the field (Chris)

2001-10-18 Thread Glory Ressler
Chris, My electronic beloved - you know my soul simply will not turn away from reading anything you write!! :-) Wonderful, wonderful work at the camp! The trained therapist in me rejoices - naturally healing without the painful and restrictive need to pathologize!!! The trained OST practitioner

Re: The Warrior - Carlos Casteneda

2001-10-18 Thread Glory Ressler
Julie, Thank you for your words: One that I didn't think to mention was willingness to die for that higher ideal. That is perhaps the defining characteristic of a warrior, don't you think? AND I can only stand in my own space in the world. I will hold this space that I occupy open for kindness.

Re: Some reflections on OST, Bin Laden, etc.

2001-10-18 Thread Harrison Owen
At 12:35 AM 10/18/01 +0100, Artur wrote: 4.2 the main point I think that must be reviewed is the principle "whatever happens is the only thing that should". Applied generally it includes one word that is self-contradictory. The word "should" presupposes that a special order should occur on a chao

Thoughts in the presence of Fear by Wendell Berry

2001-10-18 Thread Julie Hotard
Fascinating article by environmentalist Wendell Berry. I don't know if many folks have the big world environmental/economic picture in view well enough to think about these things. And I still expect the U.S. government to be able to focus primarily on altruistic motives (or even long-term se

Re: OST with local Catholic Diocese (long)

2001-10-18 Thread Peggy Holman
Lisa, This sounds like the perfect case for my favorite form of convergence. Do an Open Space. The question is something along the lines of "what is the essence of our work to reach our aspirations?" The opening is one encouraging focus rather than divergence. It is an invitation to look withi

Thank you

2001-10-18 Thread Audrey Coward
To all, Thank you for your postings. You are giving me stimuli for reflection, thinking, feeling,intregrating, learning ,etc.I was struck by Alan's "right to be kind".It reminded me of the gifts we give and receive on an unconscious level. Many times I open my mail and just what I need is ther

Some reflections on OST, Bin Laden, etc.

2001-10-18 Thread Artur F. Silva
[This mail is related with Chris questions on Al-Qaeda as an OSO and the messages that followed on that thread and also with Harrison's post "A transformative moment". My post is not an answer to any of those; only some reflections...] 1. The first idea I had immediately after I heard about the 9