a word from a friend

2002-05-18 Thread Heidi and Dan Chay
Hi Tova, It is a treat to hear from you this evening, to read of your interest in "peace-making," and to hear directly from your experiences again. I also enjoy that you wrote "peace-making" as a being-becoming pair rather than simply "peace," which in my mind fails to illuminate the creativity w

Re: "empowerment" is a disempowering concept

2002-05-18 Thread Winston Kinch
Or, for a short SD intro, go here... http://www.spiraldynamics.com/reviews/SD/SDreview_Dinan.htm Winston - Original Message - From: "Paul Roberts" To: Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 3:51 PM Subject: Re: "empowerment" is a disempowering concept > I wonder how many here are familiar with t

Re: a word from a ferind

2002-05-18 Thread Michael M Pannwitz
Dear Tova, say your piece and dont worry about shutting or opening space for me. hugs michael I definitely agree. but I didn't think this is for the list type of material, I am afraid to shut space for others what do you think? with love and respect Tova Averbuch averb...@post.tau.ac.il

Re: a word from a ferind

2002-05-18 Thread Averbuch
dear friends, I had sent this fallowing mail, to what I thought to be Dan Chay's address, on the 13 of May. It came back to me today. Since I clearly remember hesitation on my part whether this contents belong to the list or not I collect ,now, from the mails Koos, and Joelle and Julie (and the

Re: a word from a ferind

2002-05-18 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
Ken, Michael H and all-- I am not meaning to divide, or make anyone wrong here. I don't think that our big conflicts will be resolved until we learn to release our fears, and I am as slow a learner as anyone. I think Open Space does help me practice holding more points of view and more possibili

Re: a word from a ferind

2002-05-18 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
Tova-- My personal wish is that you would continue to share your thoughts, feelings and experiences on the list, so they are available to those of us who wish to understand this conflict at a deeper level. If you worry about imposing the subject on others, mark the subject on the "subject" line o

Re: a word from a ferind

2002-05-18 Thread Michael Herman
tova, joelle, and all... am glad for this to keep showing up on the list. am wondering if this could not also be said to be about those who love something bigger and those who love something smaller, rather than love and hate? not about 'how much' the caring is, but about its scope, about the si

Re: "empowerment" is a disempowering concept

2002-05-18 Thread Paul Roberts
I wonder how many here are familiar with the book "Spiral Dynamics", by Don Beck and Chris Cowan, both students of the late Clare W. Graves. It's become an important idea for Wilber, and there is currently a lot of cross pollination between SD which has (currently) 8 Levels of psychosocial develop

Re: Word from a friend

2002-05-18 Thread Koos de Heer
Dear Artur and Tova and all others, Everytime the Middle East is in the news, I struggle. I want to know and I don't want to know. And I struggle to understand. I thought that visiting Israel would help me understand, and in a way it did to some extent. And of course on the other hand I realize t

Re: a word from a friend

2002-05-18 Thread Ken West
I think you are dividing, and that will create conflict. People do not see themselves as bad, or as hateful or hating. If you make some bad and some good we end up right where we are. Ken -Original Message- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu]On Behalf Of Joelle Lyons Eve

Re: a word from a ferind

2002-05-18 Thread Toni Petrinovich
Thank you, Tova. You are touching my heart in a way that, perhaps, only you could do - from your vantage point. At the risk of being overly simplistic, I am seeing that the Israelites are saying "this place is holy to our God and it belongs to us" and the Palestinians are saying "this place is

Re: Word from a friend

2002-05-18 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
Tova-- I know how hard it is to try to write in another language, especially when you want to speak of things that are difficult and bring up strong feelings--it is hard to find just the right words. So I doubly appreciate your words, which help me to understand a little better the situation in I