Re: Givens -- Again

2004-11-18 Thread Chris Corrigan
Yay Viv! This is exactly as it really should be. We make a pretty big deal about Open Space. My last client implored me not to talk about the process, just to facilitate the meeting. I told him that's why I offer a practice workshop: so we can talk about the process. I assured him that I was t

more givens again

2004-11-18 Thread kerry napuk
Harrison & co. I promised myself not to get snookered into this "givens" vortex again, but, alas, my willpower is weak. Taking Esther's point that it is easier to put everything on the table when dealing with community issues, we still cannot deny the spirit of Open Space, which, let's face it,

Re: Givens -- Again

2004-11-18 Thread catherine carmody
Hi Harrison: Your question about the word "missile" gave me pause to ponder for a moment! And, I know that I did mean missile. Here's why. When you talked about the intense feelings that came up for you - that they resulted in you allowing your fingers to do the walking - that resonated for me.

Re: Givens   -- Again

2004-11-18 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
Harrison, Esther-- For me, the two questions that need to be considered by the leaders of the organization, pre-OS, are 1) what do they plan to do with the recommendations from the OS, and 2) if there are conversations that need to continue on certain topics, will teams have on-the-job time to mee

Re: help needed

2004-11-18 Thread Peggy S. Holman
Kerry, Joelle mentioned the work with the Washington State Arts Commission. They set out to have a conversation about the arts across the state leading to a strategic plan with broad support. They not only got that but fostered conversations that never would have happened otherwise, sometimes

Re: Givens -- Again

2004-11-18 Thread Chris Corrigan
I tried for a while to integrate the practice of identifying givens and developing conversation in the pre-meetings around these things. The last time I did it, the conversation about the givens became so large that the whole event was postponed indefinitely. Since then, there was one case where g

Re: help needed

2004-11-18 Thread Laurence Berg
Hi, Reading your request reminded me of a workshop presented at the recent conference of the National Coalition for Dialogue and Deliberation (visit http://www.thataway.org/conference/index.html for more info) in Denver, Colorado, USA. I didn't attend that particular workshop, but I've pasted

Re: Givens -- Again

2004-11-18 Thread Harrison Owen
Ester Wrote: I agree that the fewer givens "dictated" the better. And I wonder if this doesn't highlight the need for clarity in the crafting of the invitation. I believe it important in that people do need to know whether they are being asked to come to make decisions or recommendations. Thi

Re: Givens -- Again

2004-11-18 Thread catherine carmody
As a long time "lurker" on the OSList, I've found that there have been very few times when my interest and passion kicks in to the degree that I feel inclined to respond. This is the one! Harrison, while we haven't yet met, (but if you come to Halifax next year, we will) I have to say with all si

Re: Givens -- Again

2004-11-18 Thread Harrison Owen
Thanks Cathy for the kind words. . . but I am wondering. Was your use of the word "missile" ("Your missile this morning was so great...") a typo, Freudian slip, or did I really toss a bomb? Perhaps you intended "missive?" Harrison (with a smile) Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, Maryl

Re: Givens -- Again

2004-11-18 Thread Esther Ewing
Cathy and Harrison: I agree that the fewer givens "dictated" the better. And I wonder if this doesn't highlight the need for clarity in the crafting of the invitation. I believe it important in that people do need to know whether they are being asked to come to make decisions or recommendati

Givens -- Again

2004-11-18 Thread Harrison Owen
I am not quite sure why the specification and definition of "Givens" should have butted its way into my consciousness - but it did and frankly I was rather surprised at the intensity of the feelings (thoughts) evoked. Anyhow, I let my fingers do the walking and the following appeared on my screen.

Re: Givens -- Again

2004-11-18 Thread Artur Silva
--- Harrison Owen wrote: > And > in all cases I find the compulsion to specify Givens > to be prejudicial, > pejorative and demeaning - all productive of an > atmosphere diametrically > opposite to sort I would hope for at the onset of > Open Space. Amen! Aleluia! (I am very very religeous toda

Re: A Note to The Old Curmudgeon from Phil ;-)

2004-11-18 Thread Harrison Owen
Phil wrote: "There are three aspects of OS that I am curious about these days. The first is how to open the curiosity of attendees and engage them more fully, more quickly. So the idea of the Information Wall, artistically covered in recent, relevant papers, articles, photos, books, etc. related to

Re: Givens -- Again

2004-11-18 Thread Elwin and Joan
--- Harrison Owen wrote: > Thirdly, specifying Givens limits the space of possibility. > The net result is almost inevitably the sub-optimization of group > performance. Simply put, when some areas/elements are placed outside > the arena of discussion, powerful and valid approaches to the job at >