Re: Metaphors for the magic?

2004-11-19 Thread Marei Kiele
Even if using metaphors has been debunked in the meantime I add this little piece: Hi Doug,again with delay as I am working my way through hundreds of mails I have saved but not read yet. I like your popcorn methaphor - and the little dirt, a little manure, a few seeds and some rainy days and i

Metaphors for the magic?

2004-11-19 Thread Douglas D. Germann, Sr.
Thanks, Marei! Good metaphor. Metaphors debunked? Never! Metaphors rule! :-Doug. Germann Seeking people making community change. * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu -

Re: Givens -- Again : some comments

2004-11-19 Thread Harrison Owen
Bob wrote: "Sometimes I'd rather be free to explore within a known boundary than not know when I was going to drop off the edge of the world." I guess I could say something like . . . only a flatlander worries about falling of the edge of the world. Other folks go 'round and 'round searching for n

True Open Space....no givens!

2004-11-19 Thread Anu Parmar
Hi Viv and Everyone, I'm a newbie at OS. My first taste of OS was in India this September, first at a conference in Panchagani and then at the OSonOS in Goa and some others thereafter.. Have been reading with eyes peeled, digesting all the info on the List - and its a series of WOW factors for m

Re: Givens -- Again : some comments

2004-11-19 Thread chris weaver
Artur wrote, > This compares with the big discussions in the previous > times the question was raised. Of course, I am happy > that now everyone seems to be in accordance with me. > But my question is: what happened to explain that? What happened to explain that?...maybe that I was sleeping ;-)

Re: Givens -- Again

2004-11-19 Thread Jeff Aitken
Jennifer, when you say "mechanical explanation" it makes me think of things I like to say in the beginning: -A very short story about Harrison's original open space conference which "consisted entirely of coffee breaks". -The theme; why we are gathered together. -Soon I will invite topics based

Re: Givens -- Again

2004-11-19 Thread Viv McWaters
Hi all The other day I opened space and broke most of the rules - I didn't tell my client I was going to use open space, there was no mention of open space in the pre-workshop material that went out to participants and I didn't even mention open space technology when opening space. There was no d

Re: Givens -- Again : law and butterflies

2004-11-19 Thread Harrison Owen
Without Principle what are we? Of course I always recite the Principles -- again not to tell folks anything they don't know. Also (contrary to what I said before) there is something useful about "vamping until ready" but I don't think the talk has much to do with the passage of information -- at le

Re: Givens -- Again

2004-11-19 Thread Harrison Owen
My feeling is never say more than you have to. I find that the history and such is interesting but usually for another time. Main point is to open the space and get the folks on the move. However, I guess I wouldn't think of Butterflies and Bumble Bees as beside the point. They both flow naturally

Re: Givens -- Again

2004-11-19 Thread Jack Ricchiuto
For me, opening space is all about doing whatever it takes to invite people's minds and hearts and spirits into a space where the center is co-created. The most important thing for me is the space I am in, which in the best cases is a space of deep trust in my spontaneity and intuition. jack j

Re: Givens -- Again

2004-11-19 Thread Jennifer Hurley
On 11/18/04 11:38 PM, "Viv McWaters" wrote: > The other day I opened space and broke most of the rules - I didn't > tell my client I was going to use open space, there was no mention of > open space in the pre-workshop material that went out to participants > and I didn't even mention open space

Re: less is more

2004-11-19 Thread Jennifer Hurley
On 11/19/04 11:21 AM, "Harrison Owen" wrote: > Well guess what? They were never under > control, and never will be. Such a simple truth--but so powerful and profound. I often feel that my most important role with clients is to exude a sense of calm in the storm--that things are not under contro

Re: Givens -- Again

2004-11-19 Thread Florian Fischer
Am 18.11.2004 16:41 Uhr schrieb "catherine carmody" unter : > Keep the thoughts coming Harrison... > Sincerely, > Cathy Carmody > Halifax, N.S. > > take a kiss, cathy, your enthusiasm is beautiful! florian * * == osl...@listserv.boisest

Re: Givens -- Again

2004-11-19 Thread Florian Fischer
Am 18.11.2004 15:45 Uhr schrieb "Harrison Owen" unter : Personally, I would take all this > as a gold plated invitation to think and talk about precisely what is > forbidden. dear harrison, I laughed a lot about your introduction for saying then the just the opposit. I agree very much.

Re: Givens -- Again : law and butterflies

2004-11-19 Thread Artur Silva
--- Harrison Owen wrote: > (...) However, I > guess I wouldn't think of > Butterflies and Bumble Bees as beside the point. > They both flow naturally > from The Law of Two Feet -- and that Law (in my > opinion) is the grease that > lubricates the whole thing. I agree, Harrison. Interestingly you

Givens -- Again : some comments

2004-11-19 Thread Artur Silva
Hi all: What I find interesting is that everyone that spoke this time seems to be in accordance that "givens" are useless (with some minor observations of caution, in some cases). This compares with the big discussions in the previous times the question was raised. Of course, I am happy that now

Re: less is more

2004-11-19 Thread Harrison Owen
Isn't it curious that a Christian Congregation (and I suspect congregations of all sorts including Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, etc) loudly proclaim, "Everything I have comes from thee, Oh Lord?" And then sit down to do the "business side of things" with the proclamation, "We (I) are in charge!" This

Re: Givens -- Again

2004-11-19 Thread Artur Silva
--- Viv McWaters wrote: > Hi all > > The other day I opened space and broke most of the > rules - I didn't > tell my client I was going to use open space, there > was no mention of > open space in the pre-workshop material that went > out to participants > and I didn't even mention open space tec

Re: MG Taylor and DesignShop Events - a step on the OS continuum or

2004-11-19 Thread Jeff Aitken
Chris and all, I met Gail Taylor, who was a major team member in the first several years of DesignShop. I helped with a modified DesignShop which was a concurrent thread of a 3 day conference called Planetwork in San Francisco in 2003. There were seven working sessions during the 3 days, intend

Re: more givens again

2004-11-19 Thread Steve Cochran
Ditto.- Original Message - From: "kerry napuk" To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: more givens again Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:58:06 + > > Harrison & co. > > I promised myself not to get snookered into this "givens" vortex > again, but, alas, my willpower is weak. > > Taking Est

Re: less is more

2004-11-19 Thread Jim Metcalf
Harrison, I'd like to follow up on your oft repeated theme of "Less is More". It seems an apt way to describe a life rooted in One's Death. I struggle to apply that to the church I serve on an ongoing basis. "Less" is ideally "Word and Sacrament Ministry" and "Lives thereby transformed by the Spiri