Une invitation au tout premier Forum ouve rt mondial sur le Forum ouvert en français

2007-05-24 Thread Marquis Bureau
La voici en grande primeur : l'invitation au tout premier Forum ouvert mondial sur le Forum ouvert en français. L'événement se tiendra à Val-David près de Montréal, au Québec, Canada, les 14, 15 et 16 septembre, sous le thème *Aller un peu plus haut, un peu plus loin, dans nos connaissances et pra

Re: Question - bilingual opening

2007-05-24 Thread Diane Gibeault
Openning the circle in English and in French together is also something Larry Peterson and I do. We have a preference for walking the circle side by side to bound the circle and build the energy (like a spiral). But as Harrison showed with his example, you find what works for you. I also open b

Re: doing self-organization

2007-05-24 Thread Harrison Owen
Pat Wrote: "To refer back to Harrison's statement I don't think you can enable it or sustain it. I think all of creation is the an expression of it." No question in my mind Pat, we do not "create self-organization." It is. But I really do believe that we can learn to use it, to optimize it, and

Re: doing self-organization

2007-05-24 Thread Harrison Owen
You are right Michael -- the passage was taken out of context, and since the whole book is about High Performance in all dimensions, everything you mention (and more) is included. The logic I have followed is something like: High Performance occurs in human systems (towns, villages, families, count

Re: doing self-organization

2007-05-24 Thread Harrison Owen
OH yes "Practice" I was sorely tempted, but since that was in the title of my last book, I thought it might be too much of a good thing. But on second thought... h Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, Maryland 20854 Phone 301-365-2093 Skype hhowen Open Space Training www.openspacewor

Re: doing self-organization

2007-05-24 Thread Harrison Owen
Michael -- I couldn't figure out whether to have 8 elements (in honor of the Eightfold Way) or 7 (in honor of the 7 levels of consciousness -- Great Chain of Being Version). So I sort of dodged the bullet and fudged a bit. Just think of the stories/theories we could spin? Harrison Harrison Ow

los angeles area os facilitators?

2007-05-24 Thread Michael Dobbie
anyone here in the la area who has some interest or experience working with neighborhood groups, community councils? thanks, michael * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu -- To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your

Re: doing self-organization

2007-05-24 Thread Pat Black
Michael et al First of all thank you for this discussion. You can't have self organization without open space and probably you can't have open space with out self organization. But I love the rolling around of thoughts in these regards. I love the mystery of creation that is revealed. I come at

Re: doing self-organization

2007-05-24 Thread douglas germann
Michael, Harrison, Joelle, Andrew, Pat, Raffi, and all-- (Sorry for the previous posting--somehow hit the send key before I was done.) Would you be interested in entertaining a couple of musing questions? If (some people in command and control mode might still use the word "if") there is such a

Re: doing self-organization

2007-05-24 Thread douglas germann
Michael, Harrison, Joelle, Andrew, Pat, Raffi, and all-- Would you be interested in entertaining a couple of musing questions? If (some people in command and control mode might still use the word "if") there is such a thing as self organizing, what would be its conditions? This seems to

Re: doing self-organization

2007-05-24 Thread Michael Herman
and harrison... looking back at your language about essentials, "the process of self organization can be enabled and sustained by paying careful attention to eight critical" ...it occurs to me that i'm not much interested in "the process of self-organization... enabling it... or sustaining it. m

Re: doing self-organization

2007-05-24 Thread Michael Herman
hi doug, seems to me that your first question assumes halfway state. "if there is such a thing as self-org" then leaves open the question of whether or not there is anything else. once we notice that it is, AND is everywhere, then the need for knowing or creating the conditions seems to dissolv

Re: doing self-organization

2007-05-24 Thread Michael Herman
pat: many thanks. i'll have a look. i have always liked the varela line about the way to make a living system more healthy is to reconnect it with more of itself. maybe time to read a bit more. harrison:better you than me to write it all up in a book. and ever the mapper of stories, i ha

Re: Question - bilingual opening

2007-05-24 Thread Harrison Owen
When Michael Pannwitz and I did the Open Space for 2000 in Wurtzburg, Germany -- we did everything all at once. The situation may have been a little different as most people spoke German and some English. Also in the plenary session (Opening) we had simultaneous translation. But in any event we did

Re: doing self-organization

2007-05-24 Thread Harrison Owen
Michael wrote: "so self-organization is halfway for me because it *un-do-es* habitual control-based view. but then what? powerless? adrift? unsupported? i think not." Ah Michael -- seems you have an ally who wrote: "Are we then simply sit on our hands, throw our fate to the winds, and allow th

Re: Question - bilingual opening

2007-05-24 Thread Deborah Hartmann
Hi Esther. Thanks for writing about this. What a great experience! Did you note that the journalist (from Montreal's largest daily) who wrote up the event, mentioned that the opening was in both official languages? As an anglophone from Quebec, I'm sensitive to this issue - it's political, and

Question - bilingual opening

2007-05-24 Thread Communications Esther Matte
Hi all, Yes, it was a great conference with Deb at Rococo. People there were really impressed with OS. Hopefully, we'll gather a few people for our FoFo in Val David this fall :-) Deb and I learned a lot, of course, as we do every time we facilitate OS. One of the questions we played with wa

Does anyone know "Deliberative Dialogue"?

2007-05-24 Thread Communications Esther Matte
Good morning all, Does anyone know about "Deliberative Dialogue"? I have a potential client in the union sector who's being offerred this method. Not for a particular event, but generally speaking. I'd like to know what would be the strenghts and weaknesses of that method in order to prepare

Re: doing self-organization

2007-05-24 Thread Pat Black
Hello Michael I think you might find Huberto Maturana interesting to read. He is a biologist and his work looks at these 2 states of reality from a biological viewpoint. His theories also include description of self organization in how it relates to these 2 states of being. Tree of knowledge i

Re: doing self-organization

2007-05-24 Thread Harrison Owen
Raffi Wrote: " Might offering just the self-org theory as the *only* likely story of os close the space a wee bit for other likely stories?" Raffi -- I supose you could be right if I had said in some fashion that Self-organization theory was the official dogma -- none other allowed. But such a sta

Re: doing self-organization

2007-05-24 Thread Andrew Ballance
Hi Michael, To me Open Space contains within it many polarities and tensions. One is that whilst the space is open, the time is closed; this directly the reverse of normal life, where space is closed and thus time is open (i.e. it takes ages to get this done effectively within existing org. str