Re: [OSList] Designing an OS way

2011-09-18 Thread John Watkins
Artur, The term "open systems" comes from thermodynamics, especially from Prigogine and Stengers, who also refer to them as "dissipative" systems. It does not mean open to change; it means open in the sense of importing "energy" from outside itself and excreting "energy" back into the surround

Re: [OSList] compliance stuff

2011-09-18 Thread Harrison Owen
Michael - Marvelously thoughtful! And I think you have your finger on the "hot button" - Those Who Care! And if nobody does. Who Cares? Truly, it makes little difference what people are "told" to do (required by mandate, etc) - At the end of the day it is what they "care" to do that makes a differe

Re: [OSList] Designing an OS way

2011-09-18 Thread Harrison Owen
Artur - I understand your hesitance. I applaud you disagreement! And . All Systems ARE open! And if you doubt that, tell me how some business in your country is going to "close itself off" from the possibility of national default - if not by the good folks in Portugal, then Greece - or here in the

Re: [OSList] Control, Perceived Control, and the Loss Thereof

2011-09-18 Thread Artur Silva
It is interesting to see how different situations and conditions influence what we are able to understand (or, even more clearly, what we are "able to see"...)   I think that today it is obvious to make a distinction between what were the "demonstrations of the 60's" in a (so called) democracy (I a

Re: [OSList] Designing an OS way

2011-09-18 Thread Artur Silva
I continue to have a disagreement with you on this point, Harrison.   I agree that "all systems are self organizing -- it is the preexisting condition here on planet earth"   But I do not conclude that they are all open !    Let's think of physical phenomena first - it is self organization that cre

[OSList] Skye on Haiti

2011-09-18 Thread Skye Hirst
Thank you John for these moving images of hope. Skye Hirst, PhD The Autognomics Institute Perceiving the Process Nature of Life-itself As Guide to Survival sk...@autognomics.org www.autognomics.org ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSL

Re: [OSList] Haiti youth choir: some fruit of open space

2011-09-18 Thread Artur Silva
Marvelous, John. Congratulations and thank you for keeping us in touch with the results of the fantastic work you are doing in Haiti. Artur From: John Engle To: World wide Open Space Technology email list Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:13 AM Subject: [OS

Re: [OSList] Haiti youth choir: some fruit of open space

2011-09-18 Thread fischer florian
Hi, John, open space is all around and within us, sometimes technology (OST) helps to show up. The choir gives bright vibrations. A hug and a lot of regards from rainy Berlin Florian Florian Fischer f...@begleitung-im-wandel.com www.begleitung-im-wandel.com Münchener Straße 6 10779 Berlin Fon (03