[OSList] self-organization

Dear all, I hope you've had a wonderfully emergent holiday and I also take the opportunity to wish you all a beautiful year. I've been thinking about self-organization for some time now - or holding the question of its meaning - as I haven't understood the concept and the way we've talked about i

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Marie Ann, I loved reading your message and thoughts on Open Space and Self_Organization. A topic I love and I believe quite paradoxical to explain. I agree with all you've shared and have another view as well. Self-Organizing is like a multi-faceted diamond that can be viewed from multiple perspe

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So beautiful - thanks for posting this - there are so many great insights here> Skye On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Marie Ann Östlund < marieann.ostl...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear all, > > I hope you've had a wonderfully emergent holiday and I also take the > opportunity to wish you all a bea

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://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org From: oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Marie Ann Östlund Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 5:17 PM To: World wide Open Space Technology email list Subject: [OSList] self-organization

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nn Östlund *Sent:* Saturday, December 28, 2013 5:17 PM *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list *Subject:* [OSList] self-organization Dear all, I hope you've had a wonderfully emergent holiday and I also take the opportunity to wish you all a beautiful year. I've been thi

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Of course, all of these wonderful statements about what self-organisation is, are organising statements ! Open Space Technology itself, minimal as it is, is an organising process. I do enjoy lazy philosophy. It's part of our mysterious humanity. And making statements about self-organisation is li

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Marie Ann, I loved the "shiny penny" story of what you shared about Open Space, loved that it was long as I could live the magic in your words. I also loved all the answers and comments (short and long) feeling that the beauty, wonder and magic of Open Space cannot really be explained or captured

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l list Subject: Re: [OSList] self-organization Hi Harrison, Thank you for your kind response (and all the other responses (I'll be back!)). I'm still not understanding this, so would love digging deeper into the subject. I wrote a long response, but now I'm just going to ask you t

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David, thank you for this. It's a helpful perspective. I'm a slow thinker (not in Kahneman's sense - just slow) so will need to meditate on this some more. If I understand you rightly, self-organization is like a natural law (like gravity) but that it's also based on agents making choices. That in

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Thank you Paul. I'm not sure how to respond or if I need to. :) Truth with always elude us since we're tiny. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to understand. And as you say: "Perhaps it's us self-organising so the self might know it" That's what I'm suggesting. Our experiences might help us t

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HI Marie I'm suggesting quite the opposite. Truth doesn't always elude us because we are both tiny and universal. Open Space is a form of organisation. It is a minimally structured process that enables BOTH selves and the SELF to organise. Self-organisation is the act of the self, organising. Th

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Well-said, Paul Ann On Friday, January 3, 2014 3:30:23 AM, paul levy wrote: HI Marie I'm suggesting quite the opposite. Truth doesn't always elude us because we are both tiny and universal. Open Space is a form of organisation. It is a minimally structured process that enables BOTH sel

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Dear Paul, since we are moving in these heady spheres, I just cant help to ask whether there is such a thing as truth. And what happened to my pet theoretical assumption that one of the elements in this game is the force of "selforganisation" (separate from me organising my desk or keeping hou

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Dear Michael and Paul and all ~ A few days ago I was drawn to this. Heady, yes. And hearty, once you fall into It. Reality Is (Always) That Which Is The Case. Truth Is (by definition) That Which Is Always Already The Case. Real (Acausal) God Is (Necessarily) That Which, when It is Realized,

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Hi Paul, I do agree that Open Space is a form of organising - a beautiful and eloquent one, as you say. If we bring 200 people in a room without any set up, principles, law, facilitator etc, it most probably be quite a different meeting than an Open Space meeting. So yes, a form of organising. In

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Hi Marie Ann, I apologise if interrupting an otherwise interesting conversation here with but when you ask > interested to know what you base your idea that human consciousness has > "clearly evolved". :) Piaget and others have written about how human consciousness evolves from birth to adu

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Hi Paul, Thank you for that. I'm not well versed in these theories but I know that Habermas have used Piaget's theory of human evolution to describe evolution of human society. What I find attractive with his view is his emphasis on communication as the motor of evolution - human conciousness e

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Paul and Marie Ann, There are some pretty loose uses of terms in this conversation I'd like to challenge. I don't think Piaget ever talked about human evolution, nor about an individual "evolving," nor about societal cognitive development over time. He did develop a theory about individual hu

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t-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Marie Ann Östlund Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 6:51 PM To: World wide Open Space Technology email list Subject: Re: [OSList] self-organization Hi Paul, Thank you for that. I'm not well versed in these theories but I know that Habermas have us

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John, thank you so much for providing clarity to the discussion. You're right that Piaget talked about developmental stages or cognitive structures, and was interested in the structures of development rather than individual development. I didn't study Piaget more than was required for my study of H

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Marie Ann, Thanks for the clarification and distinction. I was a graduate student in education, and only studied Habermas in relation to what you refer to as his interest in solidarity and the epistemological underpinnings of that possibility, since I was interested in educational organization

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It is great when we have harmony, I love to have that feeling in my consciousness. I really appreciate this dialogue. Thanks From my iPad > On 07/01/2014, at 16:00, John Watkins wrote: > > Marie Ann, > > Thanks for the clarification and distinction. I was a graduate student in > education,

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At the risk of adding to the mix - http://www.clarewgraves.com/ you might wish to look at Graves work on spiraling development who followed and studied human cultural development. I think there is a cosmic rhythm in which we all dance and find our way. This was Joseph Campbell's summarization

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" To: "World wide Open Space Technology email list" Subject: [OSList] self-organization Date: Tue, Jan 7, 2014 10:33 AM At the risk of adding to the mix -  http://www.clarewgraves.com/   you might wish to look at Graves work on spiraling development who followed and studied human

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t-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Blake Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 5:03 PM To: World wide Open Space Technology email list Subject: Re: [OSList] self-organization Hi Skye, This was the clearest writing on your thoughts that

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Beautiful inspiring text Skye, I saw in it where I am going. Thanks From my iPad > On 07/01/2014, at 16:33, Skye Hirst wrote: > > At the risk of adding to the mix - http://www.clarewgraves.com/ you might > wish to look at Graves work on spiraling development who followed and studied > hum

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Thank you Skye! I will have to dance with your text some more to grasp it. There is a lot in it. I like your two cents. :) To clarify, I'm not a Habermasian, even if I sympathise with his social theory and admire his intellectual honesty. I agree with you that the organising laws of life is the n

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Marie Ann, I think self-organization includes two concepts from the natural and human world: pattern emergence, and pattern self-replication or autopoiesis. Pattern emergence is the way that chaotic movements of energy or matter gradually create new orders, and then once they are created, tho

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Marie Ann, I'm delayed in responding and I hope you still find my thoughts helpful. You ask whether self-organization might work because of intrinsic factors within us all as humans like the desire to help others, be constructive etc. If this is the case the same force is in all of nature because

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Perhaps, David! And that's what I was suggesting in my first post. I do think we all are spirit and that spirit itself is loving - and spirit is within bees too! Or we can call spirit life, or life-force. But before I continue, I want to thank everyone that have engaged with this question and apol

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Just watching a wonderful video that addresses at some level what you are pointing to, I believe. Richard Barrett - a Values Based Nation talk . http:/livestre.am/4n9fV Eager to further a conversation on this talk. Thanks Marie Ann Skye On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Marie Ann Östlund < mar

[OSList] Self-Organization - a poem.

[Hello, folks - as your current OSLIST Poet Laureate I once again take the opportunity to show your wisdom back to you. Whenever I do this, I am taking things you said here in conversation about a topic and sensing how they fit back together in a new way - “found poetry”, in honor of our dear de

[OSList] Self-Organization & the Nobel Prize?

This news is a month old, but I got it from an message from a friend last month which the holidays are finally letting me catch up with in my email inbox. (I am present by the way, in case anyone wondered.) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/12/nobel-prize-for-economics_n_317150.html One o

[OSList] self-organization and Agility "for real"

Hi everyone, As we will soon be opening space (next Sunday) in Paris to connect Agile and Open Space communities, I suggested to each participant to share via a Google Doc an article/link showing why he was pas

Re: [OSList] self-organization and Agility "for real"

anuel Gaillot Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 6:19 PM Subject: [OSList] self-organization and Agility "for real" Hi everyone, As we will soon be opening space (next Sunday) in Paris to connect Agile and Open Space communities, I suggested to each participant to share via a Google