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with much respect and love,
park
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From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Peggy
Holman
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 5:43 AM
To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
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I seem to be on a roll here
Pat,
I LOVE your
Peggy wrote
I have
been in an inquiry over the last number of months around what would it mean
if we put INTERACTIONS at the center of evolutionary dynamics rather than
the current approach which highlights a progression of how things evolve
(e.g., evolution of galaxies, stars, planets, geology
Peggy--
On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 13:42 -0700, Peggy Holman wrote:
> I have
> been in an inquiry over the last number of months around what would it
> mean
> if we put INTERACTIONS at the center of evolutionary dynamics rather
> than
> the current approach which highlights a progression of how thin
we're
on to something.
open-heartedly,
Peggy
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From: "Pat Black"
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Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [OSLIST] doing self-organization
Hello all who are engaged in this thread
I have taken some time to reflect on the in
Hello all who are engaged in this thread
I have taken some time to reflect on the intensity of my passion
regarding this question and my own reactiveness to certain language
associations in self organization. I continue to enjoy the thread
woven around this topic and feel downright privileged to
Silva
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:38 AM
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Subject: Re: doing self-organization - OST "foundations"
[Very quickly with no time for revision.]
Interesting threat.
I also believe that self-organization, in its relation with complex adaptive
s
Thanks for your question, Harrison.
That is a very interesting point indeed.
The Law of two feet is one of the most marvelous "micro rules" of OST.
Without it, people would not feel "invited" - they would probably stay in their
groups even if they are not interested - or leave the sp
[Very quickly with no time for revision
]
Interesting threat.
I also believe that self-organization, in its relation with complex adaptive
systems, is fundamental to OST.
In voluntary emergent Systems there are normally micro rules that allow for
self organization to emerge at
I agree with both themes that have emerged here:
Invitation, which includes a question, is part of what gives focus to a
particular experience of "self-organization". Without the invitation
and question that particular experience of organization emerging from
the interaction of "selves" who have
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Holman
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 3:15 PM
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Subject: Re: doing self-organization
Such a rich discussion!
I want to introduce a couple themes that stand out for me as we continue to
form the notions that describes self-organization in social system
and Harrison, Pat, and others
for engaging with it.
from rainy Seattle,
Peggy
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From: "Harrison Owen"
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Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [OSLIST] doing self-organization
> Pat Wrote: "To refer back to Harrison's st
. :-)
thank you for sharing this story!!!
park
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From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Rich Foss
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 11:34 AM
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Subject: Re: doing self-organization
Harrison, et. al.,
As I've been re
and Harrison, Pat, and others
for engaging with it.
from rainy Seattle,
Peggy
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Pat Wrote: "To refer back to Harrison's statement I
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From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Rich Foss
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 10:34 PM
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Harrison, et. al.,
As I've been reading this thread it reminded me
Rich--
Sounds like you and your daughter are a great team!
I loved your story about thinking "self organization, self organization."
Some months back, I opened space at an evening meeting of a professional
organization, the meeting time expanded a bit to allow for two time slots for
conversa
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Hi Raffi, it was a good sign. Thank you for support. The thing is over
now and I am totally exhausted and (guess what) happy!
you will hear more stories...
Jo
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Harrison,
When Michael writes he isn't a fan of the self-org story, I think about
keeping
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Thank you Harrison for the challengeing discussion. Part of what I
love about it is that at the end these divergent paths will deliver us
to embracing the same process. We are dancing around the same spiral
observing different aspects of it. And I am thank for all
opportunities to find partners
25, 2007 7:42 AM
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From: Pat Black [mailto:patoitexti...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:17 PM
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I am in total agreement that we can work with or we can get i
From: Pat Black [mailto:patoitexti...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:17 PM
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Subject: Re: doing self-organization
I am in total agreement that we can work with or we can get in the way
of it and inhibit the it. I guess what I was saying that it requires
no work
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Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 1:52 PM
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Michael et al
First of all thank you for this discussion. You can't have self
organization without open space and probably you can
ch by
itself. All of which makes it fun, productive, energetic, and spirit filled.
I don't know that I would call it "doing self-organization" -- but BEING
self-organization might be close.
Harrison
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Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:57 AM
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pat: many thanks. i'll have a look. i have always liked the varela
line about the way to make a living system more healthy is to
reconnect
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From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Herman
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:57 AM
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Subject: Re: doing self-organization
pat: many thanks. i'll have
Michael et al
First of all thank you for this discussion. You can't have self
organization without open space and probably you can't have open space
with out self organization. But I love the rolling around of thoughts
in these regards. I love the mystery of creation that is revealed.
I come at
Michael, Harrison, Joelle, Andrew, Pat, Raffi, and all--
(Sorry for the previous posting--somehow hit the send key before I was done.)
Would you be interested in entertaining a couple of musing questions?
If (some people in command and control mode might still use the word
"if") there is such a
Michael, Harrison, Joelle, Andrew, Pat, Raffi, and all--
Would you be interested in entertaining a couple of musing questions?
If (some people in command and control mode might still use the word
"if") there is such a thing as self organizing, what would be its
conditions?
This seems to
and harrison... looking back at your language about essentials, "the
process of self organization
can be enabled and sustained by paying careful attention to eight critical"
...it occurs to me that i'm not much interested in "the process of
self-organization... enabling it... or sustaining it. m
hi doug,
seems to me that your first question assumes halfway state. "if there
is such a thing as self-org" then leaves open the question of whether
or not there is anything else. once we notice that it is, AND is
everywhere, then the need for knowing or creating the conditions seems
to dissolv
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From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Michael
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Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:51 PM
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From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Michael
Herman
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:51 PM
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Subject: Re: doing self-organization
thanks, harrison. this helps put some things in context for me.
never thoug
Hello Michael
I think you might find Huberto Maturana interesting to read. He is a
biologist and his work looks at these 2 states of reality from a
biological viewpoint. His theories also include description of self
organization in how it relates to these 2 states of being. Tree of
knowledge i
ent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:32 PM
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Subject: Re: doing self-organization
Harrison,
When Michael writes he isn't a fan of the self-org story, I think about
keeping the creative potential in keeping space open for our understanding
of open space. Self-org is
l beings with invitation! A real invitation, which we can refuse or
> > accept. We can choose to remain in estrangement. We can choose to come home.
> > But the invitation is open and it is personal. I think.
> >
> > Harrison
> >
> >
> > Harrison Owen
> >
Micheal, Harrison--
I found myself thinking of invitation a couple of weeks ago, while musing on
a visit to a client that is trying to move away from command and control and
the experts doing everything, toward greater collaboration and personal
responsibility. I had watched them use invitati
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From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Michael
Herman
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 6:24 PM
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Subject: doing self-organization, was unconf strikes again
hi all,
catching up a bit he
Harrison,
When Michael writes he isn't a fan of the self-org story, I think about
keeping the creative potential in keeping space open for our understanding
of open space. Self-org is a very convincing story. And our as our world is
changing very quickly so will our understanding of open space.
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From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Michael
Herman
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 6:24 PM
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Subject: doing self-organization, was unconf strike
hi all,
catching up a bit here and glad to see our work leaking into the
mainstream press.
i have been thinking about a comment elsewhere, about
'self-organization' being the thing inside of open space as
process/method.
i've never been a fan of the self-org story. it's always seemed so
academ
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