Re: [Owncloud] Discussions on the ML

2013-03-21 Thread Tornóci László
On 03/21/2013 01:42 PM, Bernhard Posselt wrote: The thing youre describing is actually not a problem, we ask people to provide logs etc on github and if we dont have enough information or cant reproduce it over a longer period we close the issue anyways. Asking for bugs on the mailing lists kinda

Re: [Owncloud] Discussions on the ML

2013-03-21 Thread Chris Green
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 01:55:35PM +0100, Tornóci László wrote: > On 03/21/2013 01:42 PM, Bernhard Posselt wrote: > >The thing youre describing is actually not a problem, we ask people to > >provide logs etc on github and if we dont have enough information or > >cant reproduce it over a longer peri

Re: [Owncloud] Discussions on the ML

2013-03-21 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
Tornóci, Chris, don’t worry about feeling stupid. File all issues you have on Github, even if you might think it’s not an issue. Other users will/should give their feedback over there also. It’s not just for developers. This mailing list is for other general discussions. We don’t want to have iss

Re: [Owncloud] Discussions on the ML

2013-03-21 Thread Chris Green
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 02:52:44PM +0100, Jan-Christoph Borchardt wrote: >Tornoci, Chris, > >don*t worry about feeling stupid. File all issues you have on Github, even >if you might think it*s not an issue. Other users will/should give their >feedback over there also. It*s not just

Re: [Owncloud] Discussions on the ML

2013-03-21 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
Looking quickly through the latest posts (I still have in my mail client), these are examples of discussions which belong here: Developers handbook, Name of app repositories, Whatsapp like application, About Bootstrap and ownCloud, Google Summer of Code stuff, this thread, Apps-Review process, Call

Re: [Owncloud] Discussions on the ML

2013-03-21 Thread Thomas Gries
Am 21.03.2013 14:52, schrieb Jan-Christoph Borchardt: > Tornóci, Chris, [added: Tom], > > don’t worry about feeling stupid. File all issues you have on Github, > even if you might think it’s not an issue. Other users will/should > give their feedback over there also. It’s not just for developers. +

Re: [Owncloud] Discussions on the ML

2013-03-21 Thread Thomas Tanghus
On Thursday 21 March 2013 13:06:53 Chris Green wrote: > > It happened to me already that I filed a bug on github, and as it > > turned out the problem was that the cache in my browser was not > > cleared, and I had javascript functions from the pre-upgrade version > > after an upgrade. I felt silly

Re: [Owncloud] Discussions on the ML

2013-03-21 Thread Diederik de Haas
On Thursday 21 March 2013 14:59:45 Jan-Christoph Borchardt wrote: > Looking quickly through the latest posts (I still have in my mail client), > these are examples of discussions which belong here: ... Thanks for that clear answer, even though it also means this ML is not interesting for me (any

Re: [Owncloud] Discussions on the ML

2013-03-21 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
Cheers! So yes, every issue you encounter is probably an issue we either can help you resolve or need to fix somewhere (in the code, interface or docs). But also, developers might be flooded with issues and just respond very shortly, or maybe make a snarky remark because they think it’s funny, or

Re: [Owncloud] Discussions on the ML

2013-03-21 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Diederik de Haas wrote: > Thanks for that clear answer, even though it also means this ML is not > interesting for me (any more). > Yeah, no obligation. See you on Github then. :) ___ Owncloud mailing list Owncloud@kde.o

Re: [Owncloud] Discussions on the ML

2013-03-21 Thread Klaas Freitag
On 21.03.2013 14:06, Chris Green wrote: Chris, It happened to me already that I filed a bug on github, and as it turned out the problem was that the cache in my browser was not cleared, and I had javascript functions from the pre-upgrade version after an upgrade. I felt silly to use the time

Re: [Owncloud] Discussions on the ML

2013-03-21 Thread Simon Brereton
On 21 March 2013 15:11, Diederik de Haas wrote: > On Thursday 21 March 2013 14:59:45 Jan-Christoph Borchardt wrote: >> Looking quickly through the latest posts (I still have in my mail client), >> these are examples of discussions which belong here: ... > > Thanks for that clear answer, even thoug

Re: [Owncloud] Discussions on the ML

2013-03-21 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
Oh by the way, I thought of something this mailing list is also good for: Positive feedback! (of course only if stuff works for you) The reason there’s so much »not working«, »error« and negative stuff on this mailing list is that when something doesn’t work you’re of course angry. But that doesn

Re: [Owncloud] Discussions on the ML

2013-03-21 Thread Thomas Tanghus
On Thursday 21 March 2013 15:03:59 Thomas Gries wrote: > Am 21.03.2013 14:52, schrieb Jan-Christoph Borchardt: > > Tornóci, Chris, [added: Tom], > > > > don’t worry about feeling stupid. File all issues you have on Github, > > even if you might think it’s not an issue. Other users will/should > >

Re: [Owncloud] Discussions on the ML

2013-03-21 Thread Daniel
Well... in my opinion... Owncloud rocks. I've been using it for years now... Owncloud has been responsible for liberating my contacts and calendar from Google, my files from Dropbox and my pictures from Flickr. There have been times when I've come across problems, though the problems I've exp

Re: [Owncloud] Discussions on the ML

2013-03-21 Thread Thomas Gries
Am 21.03.2013 16:43, schrieb Thomas Tanghus: > ...Please don't use the isue tracker for asking > questions about how to do what, unless it's clearly a usability issue which > should be solved. Use http://forum.owncloud.org/ for that - -1 This is clearly "divide et impera" - mailing list - foru

Re: [Owncloud] Discussions on the ML

2013-03-21 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
Back when we only had a mailing list, we really needed a separate issue tracker because issues tracking doesn’t work on mailing lists. The issue tracker we have now is great because it’s connected with the code and easy to work with. And we get less problem reports on the mailing list, which is goo

Re: [Owncloud] Discussions on the ML

2013-03-21 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
That’s what I mean! Thank you Daniel, keep being awesome and submitting bug reports when something doesn’t work. On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Daniel wrote: > ** > > > Well... in my opinion... Owncloud rocks. > > > > I've been using it for years now... Owncloud has been responsible for > lib

Re: [Owncloud] Discussions on the ML

2013-03-21 Thread Chris Green
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 04:43:02PM +0100, Thomas Tanghus wrote: > On Thursday 21 March 2013 15:03:59 Thomas Gries wrote: > > Am 21.03.2013 14:52, schrieb Jan-Christoph Borchardt: > > > Tornóci, Chris, [added: Tom], > > > > > > don’t worry about feeling stupid. File all issues you have on Github, >

Re: [Owncloud] Discussions on the ML

2013-03-21 Thread Chris Green
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 04:53:12PM +0100, Thomas Gries wrote: > Am 21.03.2013 16:43, schrieb Thomas Tanghus: > > ...Please don't use the isue tracker for asking > > questions about how to do what, unless it's clearly a usability issue which > > should be solved. Use http://forum.owncloud.org/ for

Re: [Owncloud] Discussions on the ML

2013-03-21 Thread Thomas Tanghus
On Thursday 21 March 2013 16:12:37 Chris Green wrote: > On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 04:43:02PM +0100, Thomas Tanghus wrote: > > Let me elaborate on that: Please don't use the isue tracker for asking > > questions about how to do what, unless it's clearly a usability issue > > which > > should be solved

Re: [Owncloud] Discussions on the ML

2013-03-21 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
Folks, let’s please wrap up this discussion. As I said we have very good reasons for using all three platforms. If you don’t like the forum, just don’t use it. But please if you have a support question then use the forum because that’s the right place for that. And if you have an issue then please

[Owncloud] Discussions on the ML (was: Upgraded to Owncloud 5...)

2013-03-21 Thread Diederik de Haas
On Thursday 21 March 2013 11:44:54 Frank Karlitschek wrote: > The next thing we need is to really understand what exactly is triggering > the problem in your setup. > > So if you want to help us then please provide us with detailed information > how your server setup looks like, which software you

Re: [Owncloud] Discussions on the ML (was: Upgraded to Owncloud 5...)

2013-03-21 Thread Bernhard Posselt
The thing youre describing is actually not a problem, we ask people to provide logs etc on github and if we dont have enough information or cant reproduce it over a longer period we close the issue anyways. Asking for bugs on the mailing lists kinda spams my inbox and keeps me from fixing probl

Re: [Owncloud] Discussions on the ML (was: Upgraded to Owncloud 5...)

2013-03-21 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
Hey Diederik On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Diederik de Haas wrote: > Which is why I find it rather strange that lately a lot of times the (only) > response someone is getting to a question they ask on this ML is: > "Please file an issue on github" > That’s because we use Github for issue tra