Re: Last words on AngularJS

John Papa released the source code for his pluralsight course on GitHub. It shows an angular structure, but does not include TypeScript. I believe that version is coming... I highly recommend his course. https://github.com/johnpapa/CodeCamper On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Greg Keogh wrote:

Re: Last words on AngularJS

On Monday, 31 August 2015, Greg Keogh wrote: > I'm a TS expert after using it for a whole two hours over the weekend and >> I recommend it. It adds type safety somewhat over JS and that alone is a >> good dev time experience. >> > > Did you work out a convention for structuring the files in a lar

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> > I'm a TS expert after using it for a whole two hours over the weekend and > I recommend it. It adds type safety somewhat over JS and that alone is a > good dev time experience. > Did you work out a convention for structuring the files in a large project? Did you mix Angular into things, or use

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dependencies and seemingly brittle nature of it all. - Glav From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Wednesday, 26 August 2015 12:26 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Last words on AngularJS I think the problem you

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I think the problem you are experiencing, Greg, is that you are looking for the "right" way to write Javascript apps. Is that what you mean by "best practice"? I look at that as being similar to someone saying they are looking for the "right" woman. There is no "right" woman, there are just a larg

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> > Did you come across yeoman and angular generator? > > https://github.com/yeoman/generator-angular#angularjs-generator- > > Those tools scaffold/generate code base on “best practice”. > This is a great illustration of my gripe with the JS ecosystem. *Yeoman generator for AngularJS - lets you q

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-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Koster Sent: Tuesday, 25 August 2015 11:42 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Last words on AngularJS It looks like ECMAScript 6 introduces lots of new features [1]. At first I thought this was a joke, but a quick scan over the standard [2] appears to confirm

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It looks like ECMAScript 6 introduces *lots* of new features [1]. At first I thought this was a joke, but a quick scan over the standard [2] appears to confirm this. Do not expect adoption by browsers for several years, though. JavaScript, despite its flaws, used to be simple. But it seems a langu

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> > Could you please share with this list anything that you find interesting, > if you have the time? > Sure! So far, after 45 minutes of intense experiments and Google searches I have failed to get my first single line of code working. I can't even set the text in an field using a jQuery stateme

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gt; however there are legacy elements still working fine but using >> prototype.js. Point being, at the end of the day, if you are just using >> plan old JS (whether via a particular library) it will continue to work for >> a long long time. >> >> >> >> -

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Greg, You said; "I still want to use TypeScript to run the show, mainly because of the familiar IDE and its benefits. I'm going to spend more time today trying to find guidance about how to structure a reasonably serious TS project, and how to use jQuery from within." I'm very interested in your

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you, weigh the risks and commit. The rest you can tailor >>> to what you want. Final note: On a current project we are using Angular, >>> however there are legacy elements still working fine but using >>> prototype.js. Point being, at the end of the day, if you are just u

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I just wish there were some JS standards. Imagine flying on Air JavaScript: you get to one of the dozens of airports on roads that have peeled off old roads to other airports, then there are 16 wildly different types of plane all claiming to get you to your destination somehow, some planes can't fl

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ou are just using > plan old JS (whether via a particular library) it will continue to work for > a long long time. > > > > - Glav > > > > *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com > [mailto: > ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com > ] *On > Behalf Of *A

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2015 9:23 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Last words on AngularJS In the world according to Github Javascript is now the number 1 popular programming language used in their repositories. Might be due to all the Javascript frameworks out there:). It is also interesting to see the cli

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/2047-language-trends-on-github Regards Adrian Halid From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh Sent: Monday, 24 August 2015 6:26 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Last words on AngularJS Paul, most of what you said actually

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I just have to say it To avoid all of this JS pain, we should all be using Silverlight! Regards Greg Harris On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Greg Keogh wrote: > Paul, most of what you said actually supports my anguish over the > "lottery" of kits, tools, packages and "standards" (ha!) and

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Paul, most of what you said actually supports my anguish over the "lottery" of kits, tools, packages and "standards" (ha!) and fads in the JavaScript ecosystem. Over the last week or more since I expressed my dismay, I've been reading more and more about the zoo of frameworks that decorate JavaScr

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-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Sunday, 9 August 2015 9:02 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Last words on AngularJS Adobe Flex, Silverlight and WPF all have the same techniques described and issues with AngularJS. The issue in question is

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I'm still stuck on Greg saying he's going to lick something. Ewww On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 at 2:08 pm, David Connors wrote: > On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 at 14:53 Michael Ridland wrote: > > Like Simon Willison so eloquently >> puts it - not relying on gives you superpowe

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On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 at 14:53 Michael Ridland wrote: Like Simon Willison so eloquently > puts it - not relying on gives you superpowers. After you reach a certain > level of skill as a programmer, an IDE starts slowing you down, rather than > the opposite. >

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I dunno, i did java up until 2007 and eclipse wasn't a friendly tool more of a drop kick to your head... then Microsoft hired me and said i had to learn this .NET thing and you guys needed my wisdom on Javabah...lies... :) It wasn't then until learned the power of an IDE Visual Studio can ofte

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There's certainly nothing to stop anyone from writing C# code in something like Sublime. In fact there's a plugin for it: https://github.com/OmniSharp/omnisharp-sublime#omnisharpsublime-for-st3 As well as other popular text editors: http://www.omnisharp.net/#integrations On 10 August 2015 at 14:5

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This is an interesting point http://www.quora.com/Do-people-still-write-and-compile-programs-from-the-command-line-instead-of-an-IDE-Why-or-why-not Like Simon Willison so eloquently puts it - not relying on gives you superpowers. After you reach a certain

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Oh! TypeScript ... I forgot about that. I see a new project wizard template in VS2015, so I might as well lick it and see what happens. What you've all been saying is interesting about productivity and trends and such, but one overriding issue keeps slapping me: JavaScript is the wrong tool to con

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On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 at 13:39 Scott Barnes wrote: > I disagree, i think people are constantly asking the "better" question. > [ ... ] but i'd argue that if the devs had the choice over ECMA 6, CSS3 and HTML5 > vs ECMA 3x, CSS2 and HTML5 ...i'd probably guess what the $100 spends would > bring ba

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I disagree, i think people are constantly asking the "better" question. The amount of times I've personally had to sit in meetings and watch folks be paralysed by breadth vs depth when it comes to mobility is the answer & question unfolding. They want the full reach of the web but they also inhere

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On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 at 12:22 Scott Barnes wrote: > RE: bloat. > [ ... ] I look at rendering pipelines like Unity3D and i can see we're not close to > being done as if you look at that approach they have quite an elegant and > well thought out approach to x-compile for 2D/3D rendering but they l

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RE: bloat. Oh agree, but its not specifically the "alpha" coders that concern me, its the ones that don't pass the code tests etc. Keep in mind ASP.NET MVC biggest pushback for adoption wasn't "Oh look we've seperated the tiers of development" it was teh webforms / vb crowd that went "meh, i want

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We've done a couple of largish Enterprise Angular apps for customers back-ending on to ASP.NET/SQL Server. I can't say I share the sentiment around bloat that is in this thread. At the end of the day you can do good engineering in almost any platform - as you can do crappy engineering in almost any

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When we were making Silverlight we looked at the 800lb gorilla that which is JS/HTML and wondered what that competitive scenario would look like. The research that came back from Gartner/Forrester etc kept pointing out to the fact that folks would adopt AJAX under the sugar rush of open-ness and un

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I think some of the pain they are discussing in that article is the same pain that caused Netflix to look to adopt JS on the server as well e.g. http://techblog.netflix.com/2015/08/making-netflixcom-faster.html Some of the benefits that they spell out are also probably just a direct result at look

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If you are willing to give another JS client framework a look, I suggest you check out Aurelia (http://aurelia.io) by Rob Eisenberg (of Caliburn and Caliburn.Micro fame) - its still early days, but it is well built, and caters well for a separated-concerns type of architecture. If you want somethi

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Don't get me started on SL 1. AngularJS is nowhere near as bad mate On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 9:46 AM, DotNet Dude wrote: > AngularJS feels the same as Silverlight version 1.0/1.1 to me, I feel > dirty just thinking about it > > On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Scott Barnes > wrote: > >> Adobe Fle

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*'writing monolithic client-side apps in JavaScript frameworks is an evolutionary dead-end, and I pray that the future history books will prove me right.'* FYI, this has already begun with companies like Shopify

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AngularJS feels the same as Silverlight version 1.0/1.1 to me, I feel dirty just thinking about it On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Scott Barnes wrote: > Adobe Flex, Silverlight and WPF all have the same techniques described and > issues with AngularJS. The issue in question is more around the ab

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Adobe Flex, Silverlight and WPF all have the same techniques described and issues with AngularJS. The issue in question is more around the ability to load/unload views in an elegant fashion that leaves you with a sense of simplicity or cleanliness in memory collection as well. Binding is also a hu

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> > We're you using RequireJS? > RequireJS is something you can use to bring in common and worker > viewmodels. > It may be your missing link! > I just had a glance over the main web pages. In a rush I get impression that this is library that simulates dependencies between JavaScript files (becaus

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Greg, We're you using RequireJS? RequireJS is something you can use to bring in common and worker viewmodels. It may be your missing link! Grant On Aug 9, 2015 6:16 PM, "Greg Keogh" wrote: > Folks, I volunteered last week to write a proof of concept for a colleague > to display a sequence of "s